Topic: Anyone run Schoeps subcards indoors fob?

[MakersMarc]

Because I really need a third pair of caps. 

Seriously though wondering if anyone does this,  I'm lucky to have great sounding rooms that I can always record close. Like 20-35'.

[dactylus]

Noah runs mk22's (somewhere between card & subcard).  I think that he runs them fob indors when he can.  I'm  sure that he'll chime in.   

Kingita & microburst run mk21's at times...

[noahbickart]

Noah runs mk22's (somewhere between card & subcard).  I think that he runs them fob indors when he can.  I'm  sure that he'll chime in.   

Kingita & microburst  run mk21's at times...

I run the mk22 everywhere. Sounds great FOB, OTS, indoor and out.

I also run a m21/mk8 rig FOB.

I also own a pair of the mk4v, but find that when I run mk41v, mk22, and mk4v, the 4v's are my least favorite pull. If I could only have 2 pairs of schoeps, they would be mk41v and mk22.

[Gutbucket]

I'm lucky to have great sounding rooms that I can always record close. Like 20-35'.

^ This + your skillset = potential greatness IMHO.

[wforwumbo]

I run the mk21s, love em to death. They work great for FOB or on stage.

[rippleish20]

I use MK22's FOB, primarily on stage

[fobstl]

I run the MK21s fob in nice sounding rooms with good results.

[microburst]

I run 21s indoors a lot, but only on stage.  I find they pickup too much room reverberation indoors running off the pa.

[MakersMarc]

Thanks all!

[goodcooker]

I run MBHO subcards not Schoeps but I run them often indoors if I'm up close. Also on stage/stage lip and outdoors. Love me some subcards!

[noahbickart]

Kingita & microburst run mk21's at times...

King might run them. But they'll always be Eliot's capsules...

[thunderbolt]

Hey Noah,

Do you record mostly PA-heavy shows, or a mix of less-amplified stuff as well, with your 22s?

Corbin

[rippleish20]

Noah runs mk22's (somewhere between card & subcard).  I think that he runs them fob indors when he can.  I'm  sure that he'll chime in.   

Kingita & microburst  run mk21's at times...

I run the mk22 everywhere. Sounds great FOB, OTS, indoor and out.

I also run a m21/mk8 rig FOB.

I also own a pair of the mk4v, but find that when I run mk41v, mk22, and mk4v, the 4v's are my least favorite pull. If I could only have 2 pairs of schoeps, they would be mk41v and mk22.

I sold the various capsules (MK4s, MK4v's, MK41v's) I had because I am happiest with MK41s and MK22s

[noahbickart]

Hey Noah,

Do you record mostly PA-heavy shows, or a mix of less-amplified stuff as well, with your 22s?

Corbin

All of the above.

[jcable77]

Hey Noah,

Do you record mostly PA-heavy shows, or a mix of less-amplified stuff as well, with your 22s?

Corbin

All of the above.

Any of your 22’s you could link from LMA?

[wforwumbo]

Here's an FOB tape I made with my mk21s. Maybe 15' from the stage, approx 5' high. I was just inside the PA and the bassist's monitor was facing away from the mic so I didn't capture a lot of the bassist, rest assured that is NOT a shortcoming of the capsule but rather location. Mics were oriented in wide ORTF, 27 cm/110 degrees.

https://archive.org/details/ns2018-06-14.flac24

Soundstage is *particularly* impressive. When the image shifts, that's because the PA was adjusted on-the-fly by the sound guy and the image is moving from where the musician is on-stage and shifting towards a respective PA speaker.

Edit: Re: the mk21 vs mk22, it's a matter of preference and both are great capsules. I think of the 21 more as an ensemble mic designed to be used as a stereo pair as omnis you can aim, and the 22 more as a slightly less directional cardioid. I would say one is more suited than the other to certain tasks, but I also feel I can make tapes just as well as those using 22s, with my 21s. The 21 has a more aggressive top end to my ear while the mk22 is softer and rounder, though it's not to say either is too hard or too soft. Spin enough tapes of both the 21 and 22 (they're all over relisten.net or archive, and *definitely* on eTree) and it won't be a direct mapping of how you'll use them but it'll give you a rough idea of the characteristic of the cap, and which one you might be more inclined to use.

Here's an FOB tape I made with the mk21 in NOS of Phish at the Gorge last summer: http://bt.etree.org/details.php?torrentId=600535
And here's an FOB Noah made with the mk22 in NOS of Phish at Dick's last summer: http://bt.etree.org/details.php?torrentId=602095

Notably, aside from 60v vs 48v on our Naiant PFAs, Noah's and my signal chains are identical. So aside from the positioning and venues of these tapes, pretty much everything else about these signal chains are identical. I will say that for *my* FOB tape, I think I was too close and captured more of the on-stage monitors than I did of the PA and thus the image sometimes collapses on the center fill, but otherwise I think soundstage is pretty darned good. If you want an idea of the bass response the mk21s are capable, I point you to this tape: http://bt.etree.org/details.php?torrentId=603572

[heathen]

Here's an FOB tape I made with the mk21 in NOS of Phish at the Gorge last summer: http://bt.etree.org/details.php?torrentId=600535
And here's an FOB Noah made with the mk22 in NOS of Phish at Dick's last summer: http://bt.etree.org/details.php?torrentId=602095

Notably, aside from 60v vs 48v on our Naiant PFAs, Noah's and my signal chains are identical. So aside from the positioning and venues of these tapes, pretty much everything else about these signal chains are identical. I will say that for *my* FOB tape, I think I was too close and captured more of the on-stage monitors than I did of the PA and thus the image sometimes collapses on the center fill, but otherwise I think soundstage is pretty darned good. If you want an idea of the bass response the mk21s are capable, I point you to this tape: http://bt.etree.org/details.php?torrentId=603572

You think the on stage monitors are audible on your Gorge recording??

[rippleish20]

I primarily use MK22s on stage, but have also used them as I would cardiods. 


About 30 feet from stage (I recorded Spafford also but the level of talking at that point doesn't mix well with MK22's)

https://archive.org/details/le2017-10-08.rippleish20.mk22.flac24


On stage (the intent was to mix it with the SBD but the outputs on BeOnKeys soundboard are messed up)

https://archive.org/details/fotw2018-09-14.rippleish20.mk22.flac24


100 feet  from stage & windy

https://archive.org/details/matis2018-07-07.rippleish20.mk22.flac24

[jcable77]

I primarily use MK22s on stage, but have also used them as I would cardiods. 


About 30 feet from stage (I recorded Spafford also but the level of talking at that point doesn't mix well with MK22's)

https://archive.org/details/le2017-10-08.rippleish20.mk22.flac24


On stage (the intent was to mix it with the SBD but the outputs on BeOnKeys soundboard are messed up)

https://archive.org/details/fotw2018-09-14.rippleish20.mk22.flac24


100 feet  from stage & windy

https://archive.org/details/matis2018-07-07.rippleish20.mk22.flac24

Thanks for the samples.

[wforwumbo]

Here's an FOB tape I made with the mk21 in NOS of Phish at the Gorge last summer: http://bt.etree.org/details.php?torrentId=600535
And here's an FOB Noah made with the mk22 in NOS of Phish at Dick's last summer: http://bt.etree.org/details.php?torrentId=602095

Notably, aside from 60v vs 48v on our Naiant PFAs, Noah's and my signal chains are identical. So aside from the positioning and venues of these tapes, pretty much everything else about these signal chains are identical. I will say that for *my* FOB tape, I think I was too close and captured more of the on-stage monitors than I did of the PA and thus the image sometimes collapses on the center fill, but otherwise I think soundstage is pretty darned good. If you want an idea of the bass response the mk21s are capable, I point you to this tape: http://bt.etree.org/details.php?torrentId=603572

You think the on stage monitors are audible on your Gorge recording??

Not band monitors, but audience fills. There’s a center fill that is particularly audible and induces a comb to my ear on the tape.