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Gear advise? Need help gettting back to recording.
« on: March 06, 2019, 11:31:20 AM »
I have not taped a live show in over 10 years and what I what using back them, I am sure is out of date now.  I am looking to get back into doing some taping as small festivals and I am not looking for a huge rig to tote around and I know that things were going digital when I was getting out so I am sure that the gear is much smaller and lighter than it used to be.  I remember my last rig included an NJB3 and I can't remember the preamp I used but had a oade brother's warm mod on it. Maybe it was an edirol.  I am looking into getting a comparable rig in the coming days and would love some input on what would be the most cost-effective setup for me to get another rig going with pretty much the same capabilities.  I don't remember the mics that I used right off hand but there weren't super expensive.  I want to say they were sweetwater CO2 maybe.

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Re: Gear advise? Need help gettting back to recording.
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2019, 11:37:31 AM »
A pair of Church Audio CA14 omnis is probably a good choice, though note that his shipping times can be...erratic.  They're great bang for the buck, though, and are fully capable of making great recordings.  For recorders I know some Oade modded units show up in the Yard Sale from time to time but others know more about that.  You'd want some sort of battery box or preamp to go with the mics.  If you're not worried about going deep stealth mode, a Church Audio CA9200 is a good option.  That can certainly be stealthed, but something like an Ugly Battery Box would be even better for going deep undercover.

The other mics that come to mind are Audio-Technica AT853 cardioids, which you should be able to get from Sound Professionals.  You'll likely want to get the "4.7k" mod (I think they call it the low sensitivity mod).
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Re: Gear advise? Need help gettting back to recording.
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2019, 11:47:33 AM »
A pair of Church Audio CA14 omnis is probably a good choice, though note that his shipping times can be...erratic.  They're great bang for the buck, though, and are fully capable of making great recordings.  For recorders I know some Oade modded units show up in the Yard Sale from time to time but others know more about that.  You'd want some sort of battery box or preamp to go with the mics.  If you're not worried about going deep stealth mode, a Church Audio CA9200 is a good option.  That can certainly be stealthed, but something like an Ugly Battery Box would be even better for going deep undercover.

The other mics that come to mind are Audio-Technica AT853 cardioids, which you should be able to get from Sound Professionals.  You'll likely want to get the "4.7k" mod (I think they call it the low sensitivity mod).

There's a set of CA-14s and Ugly preamp in the yard sale right now. I would just grab those and a small recorder like an M10 or A10 (I'm a Sony fanboy though).
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Re: Gear advise? Need help gettting back to recording.
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2019, 04:31:16 PM »
What's the budget?

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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2019, 09:58:09 AM »
is this for an open taping stand situation or 007 stuff?
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« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2019, 08:08:29 PM »
I did this same walk about a year ago.  I ended up with a used pair of AT4041 ($200) and a new Tascam DR100 mk3 ($250)  I spent another $50 on a t-bar and screens.  I kept my stand and had plenty of mic cables and a SD card, so I was all set. 

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« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2019, 09:19:14 AM »
I did this same walk about a year ago.  I ended up with a used pair of AT4041 ($200) and a new Tascam DR100 mk3 ($250)  I spent another $50 on a t-bar and screens.  I kept my stand and had plenty of mic cables and a SD card, so I was all set.

This is a very nice "bang for your buck" rig. If I was starting over I would very likely end up with this same setup.
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« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2019, 11:10:17 AM »
If you really want to make life easy on yourself just buy one of the many interfaces that work with your phone. If you want to spend some $$ the DPA 4061/6061>d:vice is pretty unparalleled, but I've seen other stereo input devices that can be paired with a phone that would probably work. Unless you're using mics that actually require phantom power, I don't see any point in owning a standalone deck anymore.
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Re: Gear advise? Need help gettting back to recording.
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2019, 05:15:20 PM »
If you really want to make life easy on yourself just buy one of the many interfaces that work with your phone. If you want to spend some $$ the DPA 4061/6061>d:vice is pretty unparalleled, but I've seen other stereo input devices that can be paired with a phone that would probably work. Unless you're using mics that actually require phantom power, I don't see any point in owning a standalone deck anymore.

So I should get rid of my decks and use some crappy buggy app on my also buggy iPhone? 👍😀
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Re: Gear advise? Need help gettting back to recording.
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2019, 07:01:44 PM »
Disagree with the phone option.  To each his own but not an option I would consider.

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Re: Gear advise? Need help gettting back to recording.
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2019, 07:40:10 AM »
I think all the mic options that were mentioned so far are good.
You should probably get a bunch of shows that were recorded with those mics and listen to each of them carefully to make up your mind.

I 007 tape shows using a 4-track recorder and 2 pairs of mics (cardioids and omnis).

My cardioids are Sennheiser caps and I would say they play in the same league then the AT853 that were mentioned earlier.
The omnis are DPA4061's.

When I get to compare both recordings, I most of the time like the cards rendition better than the omnis.
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Re: Gear advise? Need help gettting back to recording.
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2019, 10:55:58 AM »
Plug a pair of EM172 omnis (such as the Clippy Mics https://micbooster.com/primo-microphone-capsules/98-mono-clippy-em172-microphone.html) into to a Roland R-07. Throw in pocket, clip mics somewhere and control levels with your phone. If you want to do super loud you may want different mics.
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Re: Gear advise? Need help gettting back to recording.
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2019, 03:13:02 PM »
What´s been said above...some CA-mic´s as a start and then perhaps AT-943 Mic´s and a batterybox for louder rockconcerts!

If you can find a used Olympus-LS 10 recorder then you will have a really compact taping rig with really great sound possibilites!
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« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2019, 11:12:32 PM »
Disagree with the phone option.  To each his own but not an option I would consider.

Never. I grip enough running a deck stealth, but at least there's a near 100% chance the show gets recorded. No phones.
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Re: Gear advise? Need help gettting back to recording.
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2019, 08:33:48 AM »
Gentlemen, I want ot apoliogize for what seems to be my lack of interest in this topic that I created.  For some reason I thought I would receive an email notification of replies and I just thought my post fell on deaf ears.  I should have known better from my lpst involvement with this community.  I appreciate everyone's input on this and I plant to read each and every post and check out all options discussed in your replies.

Again my apologies

 

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