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Next Step Up from Church Audio / Superlux Mics....
« on: April 10, 2019, 09:37:44 AM »
I've collected and work with about 5 different sets of $250 Mics Currently. I'm pleased for the most part with my pull's, but curious what folks inputs were for the next step up...

Current Collection of Mics Include Superlux s502 ORTF,  CA-11 Omni, CA-14 Cards w (2) CA 9200 PowerAmps, Rode M5 Mics, SP C4 Mics with Hyper, Omni and Card Caps.

Looking at $500 & maybe $800 Range....Hit me with your thoughts. I mainly record indoors at venues with 600 to 1000 Folks, but also record outdoors at Delfest, and Summer Fests

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Re: Next Step Up from Church Audio / Superlux Mics....
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2019, 10:16:43 AM »
You can get into an MBHO active setup for around that price from No Hype Audio. He had 2 ka200 cardioid capsules left as of yesterday when I spoke to him.

2x ka200 Cardioid Capsules - 140 Euros each
2x Capsule Adapters - 99 Euros each
2x Naiant PFA - $70 each

You can also expand on this with numerous other capsules- I particularly like the ka300 wide cardioid and ka500 hyper cardioid. I haven't used the ka200 as I personally prefer the ck61 cardioid sound but here are some links to get an idea on what the line sounds like.

ka500: https://archive.org/details/mh2019-02-28.mbho.ka500
ka500: https://archive.org/details/spafford2019-02-16.mbho.ka500
ka300: https://archive.org/details/tgid2018-12-30.mbho.ka300
ka300: https://archive.org/details/jkb2019-02-26.mbho.ka300

ka500 w/ ck62 center omni: https://archive.org/details/isd2019-03-30.mbho.ka500.akg.ck62
« Last Edit: April 10, 2019, 10:33:30 AM by beegar »
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Re: Next Step Up from Church Audio / Superlux Mics....
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2019, 11:18:51 AM »
AKG 480's + ck61 and ck63's. Can probably easily score them on the used market for what you already have invested in your current mics and then some...

Or maybe just the caps and Nbob actives...


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Re: Next Step Up from Church Audio / Superlux Mics....
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2019, 11:29:20 AM »
AKG 480's + ck61 and ck63's. Can probably easily score them on the used market for what you already have invested in your current mics and then some...

Or maybe just the caps and Nbob actives...

I've found the ck63s very hard to find lately as I have been looking for a set myself. 460s run about $150-175 each for a clean one and about $250 for a 460 w/ck61. Not sure about the 480s on market value.

I did just place an order for AKG nbobs though  :)
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Re: Next Step Up from Church Audio / Superlux Mics....
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2019, 11:32:13 AM »
I don't mean this to sound snarky or shitty, but are you sure you're getting everything you can out of your current mics?  Making a great recording doesn't necessarily require expensive mics.  Location/setup is more important.

That said, an essential piece of information is missing here: what do you find lacking in your current recordings? 
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Re: Next Step Up from Church Audio / Superlux Mics....
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2019, 11:42:58 AM »
I don't mean this to sound snarky or shitty, but are you sure you're getting everything you can out of your current mics?  Making a great recording doesn't necessarily require expensive mics.  Location/setup is more important.

That said, an essential piece of information is missing here: what do you find lacking in your current recordings?

Rich has been hanging around Team Philly long enough to know the venues and where the sweet spots are. I don't think that is an issue...

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Re: Next Step Up from Church Audio / Superlux Mics....
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2019, 04:10:00 PM »
Controversial opinion:

"Stepping up" could be overrated. Of course you'll find a lot of "Go Schoeps or go home" in this neck of the woods and in no way am I trying to dissuade you from trying something else. If I were you I'd try borrowing any sets of mics that you can. I've only owned two different mics, ADT a51s and AKG Blue Lines and I don't have anything bad to say about either so take that into account when considering my opinion. I'd be sure as happy to throw as set of SM57s in the air ti catch a show.

I'll advocate for AKG 390s. I like them and they're reasonably priced.

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Re: Next Step Up from Church Audio / Superlux Mics....
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2019, 04:42:40 PM »
Consider adding some vintage flavor for minimal cost to your quiver.

I ran Schoeps for many years before I semi-retired from taping. Once I got back in the game I went for cheaper but what I'd consider still high quality mics. And again, it's all about placement.

There are amazing deals on Japanese-manufactured electret condenser mics these days. And it's an inexpensive investment to treat your ears to something different.

There's of course the Nakamichi CM-300 and 100 models along with their "clones", the Tascam PE-120 model and the Teac ME-120 and 80 models. All of those are practically being given away at times on eBay lately.
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Re: Next Step Up from Church Audio / Superlux Mics....
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2019, 04:45:55 PM »
Look at MBHO and Beyerdynamic.  Excellent bang/buck.
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Re: Next Step Up from Church Audio / Superlux Mics....
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2019, 05:37:07 PM »
Vote for. Busman AudioBSC1 stereo pair, four patterns and can be had used for $300ish a pair. Imo a big jump from what you run now.wantKeep the Churches, they are quite solid and great for 😈 .

Owned MBHO two different times, maybe a small leap from the Busmans. But you can get an active MBHO setup as mentioned above, more money but still 1k or so.

Couple of good options.
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Re: Next Step Up from Church Audio / Superlux Mics....
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2019, 06:53:33 PM »
Anodyne beat me to it.  Bought mine almost 30 years ago and they are still running fine.  Best move I ever made. 

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Re: Next Step Up from Church Audio / Superlux Mics....
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2019, 08:24:39 AM »
Thanks everyone for their feedback so far....might try to add another set of mics to the arsenal later on this year. Def. some good options here to explore and research.

Keep em coming if you like.
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CA-14 Card Mic's - CA-11 Omni's - Rode M5 Mic's - Superlux s502
CA 9200 PreAmps - CA UBB - Studio Projects C4 Hyper/Card/Omni
Busman MOD Tascam DR-70D - TASCAM DR-100MKII 
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Re: Next Step Up from Church Audio / Superlux Mics....
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2019, 08:29:24 AM »
Dpa omnis in the yard sale.

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Re: Next Step Up from Church Audio / Superlux Mics....
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2019, 07:07:03 PM »
In general, if you're looking for the lowest cost for a high level of quality, you're in luck if you're comfortable using omnidirectional mikes. Those are far easier to design and manufacture to a given standard than directional microphones. You still need to be picky about which brand and model you choose, but there are satisfying options at relatively low prices. When you buy a pair of them, they almost certainly won't be as well-matched as you would get from a higher-end manufacturer--but that is less critical with omnis, because you don't normally use them close together.

Next best "tier" bargain-wise is cardioids. Again, while they're more complex than omnis to design and manufacture, there's not much mystery left as to how to do that; the basics were pretty much worked out in the 1960s and there's been plenty of time for the know-how to get around or be re-invented. Which doesn't mean that all cardioids sound equally good when recording wide-range music--they don't, by a long shot, since the most common applications (communication), which drive the market which, in turn, drives product design decisions, don't require the same qualities as music recording. But it's reasonable to look for well-made, reliable, good-sounding cardioids in the medium price range; they definitely exist.

Supercardioids, figure-8s, shotgun microphones and other "minority" patterns such as wide cardioids or hypercardioids, on the other hand, are still pretty much specialty items. None of the low- or medium-price microphones available in those categories are the sonic equals of the top professional brands; in most cases they're not even very close. Again this is partly because markets are split, with (by far) the largest number of microphones not being engineered for wide-range music recording, since that's not what most people use microphones for--and the qualities required for the different applications conflict with one another. But the design, manufacturing and quality control requirements of these more complex constructions are also considerably more difficult than with omnis or cardioids, and fewer manufacturers know their way around in these areas. You could take the best supercardioid microphone apart and look at it under a microscope (as the clone manufacturers have surely done) but still not know how to make one yourself, except approximately.

--best regards
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music > microphones > a recorder of some sort

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Re: Next Step Up from Church Audio / Superlux Mics....
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2019, 11:10:40 PM »
Rich,

I have a pair of AKG bluelines I could loan you if you'd like...

 

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