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Mix-Pre 3/6 SD Memory Cards (What works and what doesn't?)
« on: July 22, 2019, 12:51:58 PM »
By Request from @justme

Testing tools:
Blackmagic Speed Test: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/blackmagic-disk-speed-test/id425264550?mt=12
ChipGenius: https://www.softpedia.com/get/System/System-Info/ChipGenius.shtml
FakeFlashTest: https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/fakeflashtest.html
H2testw: https://www.heise.de/download/product/h2testw-50539


Please list the following, as available, feel free to copy and paste:

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Mix-Pre type:
Manufacturer:
Model:
Rated Speed:
Class:
Serial #:
Card Size, preferably in GB:
Recording Format (Bit Depth/Sample Rate):
Number of Channels:
Phantom (On/Off):
Results:

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Mix-Pre type: 6
Manufacturer: PNY
Model: Optima, 240HD
Rated Speed: NA
Class: NA
Card Size, preferably in GB: 16GB
Recording Format (Bit Depth/Sample Rate): 24/48, 24/96
Number of Channels: 2 & 4
Phantom (On/Off): 4 channels on & 2 on, 2 off
Results: No Errors

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Mix-Pre type: 6
Manufacturer: Sandisk
Model:  Extreme
Rated Speed: 80MB/s
Class: 10
Card Size, preferably in GB: 32GB
Recording Format (Bit Depth/Sample Rate): 24/48, 24/96
Number of Channels: 2 & 4
Phantom (On/Off): 4 channels on & 2 on, 2 off
Results: No Errors
Claims 8hr HD Video

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Mix-Pre type: 6
Manufacturer: PNY
Model: Performance, SD32G06100BMC4HB
Rated Speed: 15MB/s ? (covered with Sharpie)
Class: NA
Card Size, preferably in GB: 32GB
Recording Format (Bit Depth/Sample Rate): 24/48, 24/96
Number of Channels: 2 & 4
Phantom (On/Off): 4 channels on & 2 on, 2 off
Results: No Errors
Claims 8hr HD Video

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Mix-Pre type: 6
Manufacturer: PNY
Model: Performance, SD16G04000BMC2RB
Rated Speed: NA
Class: NA
Card Size, preferably in GB: 16GB
Recording Format (Bit Depth/Sample Rate): 24/48, 24/96
Number of Channels: 2 & 4
Phantom (On/Off): 4 channels on & 2 on, 2 off
Results: No Errors
Claims 4hr HD Video
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Re: Mix-Pre 3/6 SD Memory Cards (What works and what doesn't?)
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2019, 02:21:08 PM »
Mix-Pre type: 6 (firmware 3.0.3)
Manufacturer: Toshiba
Model: Exceria N302 64GB - THN-N302R0640E4
Rated Speed: 90MB/s read (BM Speed Test: Read: 78MB/s Write: 27MB/s)
Class: 10, UHS-I
Serial #:
Card Size, preferably in GB: 64
Recording Format (Bit Depth/Sample Rate): 24/96
Number of Channels: 8 => 4+2 ISO + 2 Mix
Phantom (On/Off): 4 On, 2 Off
Result: PASSED

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Mix-Pre type: 6 (firmware 3.0.3)
Manufacturer: Toshiba
Model: Exceria N302 64GB - THN-N302R0640E4
Rated Speed: 90MB/s read (BM Speed Test: Read: 78MB/s Write: 27MB/s)
Class: 10, UHS-I
Serial #:
Card Size, preferably in GB: 64
Recording Format (Bit Depth/Sample Rate): 24/192
Number of Channels: 7 => 4+1 ISO + 2 Mix
Phantom (On/Off): 4 On, 1 Off
Result: PASSED


Card does not manage 8 channels @ 24/192 with a bitrate 36.9Mb/s
Result: FAILED: "SD - Warning Record buffer error"
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Re: Mix-Pre 3/6 SD Memory Cards (What works and what doesn't?)
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2019, 03:21:34 PM »
Can we omit ‘rated speed’ seems like a lot of people will quote burst speeds which are often arbitrary speeds the card manufacturer claims. For our purposes class is more useful as it’s indicative of minimum sequential write

Class 10, U1= 10 mb/s
U3, V30 = 30 mb/s
etc

Unless you want to use it as a descriptive identifier for the card- ‘Lexar 2000x’ , ‘Sandisk extreme plus 150 mb/s’ etc

Also model number and if known, country of origin may be useful. I have two sandisk cards purchased recently, one was made in China and is ‘extreme’ and is pn SDSDX-V5..... The other is made in Taiwan and is ’extreme plus’ pn SDSDX-W5. Despite one being labeled plus every rating on them are identical.

  Also should we list test duration? I’ve had some tests go for over four hours and then crap out
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Re: Mix-Pre 3/6 SD Memory Cards (What works and what doesn't?)
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2019, 06:08:31 PM »
Dealer name and even purchase date would be most useful as well.

If got through Amazon, it’s also important to know wether it’s been sold and fulfilled by Amazon or it came from a third party seller.

There seem to be more fake cards than real ones nowadays.
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Re: Mix-Pre 3/6 SD Memory Cards (What works and what doesn't?)
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2019, 07:55:12 PM »
Dealer name and even purchase date would be most useful as well.

If got through Amazon, it’s also important to know wether it’s been sold and fulfilled by Amazon or it came from a third party seller.

There seem to be more fake cards than real ones nowadays.

for sure. first thing i do with any card is write it front to back with h2testw to make sure it has full speed *and* capacity. unscrupulous sellers have found ways in teh past to make card capacity look larger than the actual writable area (like sell you a "128GB" card thats really only 32GB)

apart from that, not only are there fakes, there is malware in some cards. check out this dated, but fascinating, article.

https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=3554


im still looking for the old-school disk benchmark software that would write and graph a disk across its whole surface (premise being inner and outer transfer rates on spinning disks are vastly different)... but i feel this could be useful on making sure a card can write to full speed all the way up to the point of full
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Re: Mix-Pre 3/6 SD Memory Cards (What works and what doesn't?)
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2019, 09:02:28 PM »
Mix-Pre type: 6, FW 3.03, preroll off
Manufacturer: Samsung
Model: "95 MB/sec" EVO select microsdhc, $7 purchased 7/2019 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XWN9Q99)
Card Size: 32GB (29.8GB usable)
Country of Origin: Philippines
Class: class 10/ U1
Serial #: KNF4CVCAH844
Tested speed (h2testw): Writing speed: 23.4 MByte/s, Reading speed: 61.4 MByte/s

Test 1
Recording Format (Bit Depth/Sample Rate):24/192
Number of Channels: 8 (6 iso+mixdown)
Phantom (On/Off): 4 channels on
Result: FAILED:Record Buffer Error. recorded 1:26:00 of an available 1:55:00 total space, crashed at 1:26:00 (card 75% full). Resumed recording and it filled out the card with no further errors
Notes: low level formatted on computer, then formatted in mixpre. Powered by USB-C via Anker Powercore 10000PD, 4 lights lit entire time

Test 2
Recording Format (Bit Depth/Sample Rate):24/96
Number of Channels: 8 (6 iso+mixdown)
Phantom (On/Off): 4 channels on
Result: PASSED. Filled entire card, 3:51:00 with no errors
Notes: quick formatted in mixpre after test 1. Powered by USB-C via Anker Powercore 10000PD, from 3 lights to near the bottom (light blinking, it died 5 min after test)

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Re: Mix-Pre 3/6 SD Memory Cards (What works and what doesn't?)
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2019, 09:23:48 PM »
Mix-Pre type: 6, FW 3.03, preroll off
Manufacturer: Sandisk
Model: "Extreme Plus 150 MB/sec" full sized SDXC purchased 7/2019 (https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sandisk-extreme-plus-128gb-sdxc-uhs-i-memory-card/6299412.p?skuId=6299412)
Card Size: 128GB (119GB usable)
Country of Origin: Taiwan
Class: class 10/U3/V30/UHS-I
Serial #: BP19029807530
Tested speed (h2testw): Writing speed: 41.1 MByte/s, Reading speed: 65.8 MByte/s
Recording Format (Bit Depth/Sample Rate):24/192
Number of Channels: 8 (6 iso+mixdown)
Phantom (On/Off): 4 channels on
Result: FAILED:Record Buffer Error. recorded 2:09:00 of an available 7:35:00 total space, crashed at 2:09:00 (card ~29% full). Resumed recording and it failed again after 16 min, 40 min, 10 min, 17 min, 10 min, 8 min, 20 min, test aborted
Notes: low level formatted on computer, then formatted in mixpre. Powered by USB-C via Jackery 20000 at full power
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Re: Mix-Pre 3/6 SD Memory Cards (What works and what doesn't?)
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2019, 02:51:08 AM »
first card I tested that could sustain the mixpre6's max write rate. Actually bought this little guy for my roland R-07 which is limited to 32GB SDHC but its the best so far. Will check into larger sizes in the PRO series

Mix-Pre type: 6, FW 3.03, preroll off
Manufacturer: Sandisk
Model: "100 MB/s Extreme Pro microsdhc, $14 purchased 7/2019
(https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XYHN68L)
Card Size: 32GB (29GB usable)
Class: class 10/ U3 / V-30 /A1
Part#:SDSQXCG-032G
Serial #:
Tested speed (h2testw): Writing speed: 49.5 MByte/s, Reading speed: 70.2 MByte/s


Recording Format (Bit Depth/Sample Rate):24/192
Number of Channels: 8 (6 iso+mixdown)
Phantom (On/Off): 4 channels on
Result: PASSED. Filled entire card, 1:55:00, three times with no errors.
Notes: first time was low level formatted on computer, then formatted in mixpre. Quick formatted in mixpre for runs 2 and 3
Powered by 4 fully charged Powerex Precharged AAs, starting voltage 1.37V per cell. Battery indicator started blinking red somewhere between 1:57:00 and 2:04:00 (i walked away so not sure when it hit red exactly), at which point i switched to usb-c battery. Third run was done with powerex pro (non-LSD) and was blinking red after 1:59:00 and shut itself down 4 minutes later, so more or less equivalent to the powerex precharged LSDs
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Re: Mix-Pre 3/6 SD Memory Cards (What works and what doesn't?)
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2019, 06:29:36 AM »
Mix-Pre type: 6 (firmware 3.0.3)
Manufacturer: Integral Memory
Model: UltimaPro X Gold SDHC/XC Part Code: INSDX128G10-95/90U1   EAN: 5055288429185
Rated Speed: 90MB/s read (BM Speed Test: Read: 90.9MB/s Write: 84.1MB/s)
Class: 10, UHS-I U30
Serial #:
Card Size, preferably in GB: 128 (128, 256 and 512 share same specs)
Recording Format (Bit Depth/Sample Rate): 24/192
Number of Channels: 8 => 6 ISO + 2 Mix
Phantom (On/Off): 4 On, 2 Off
Result: PASSED

I formatted the card in the MP6 and then recorded until card was full without any problem what so ever. :)

Note:
The 32 and 64 GB have a lower rated write speed and I have not tested those!

https://integralmemory.com/product/ultimapro-x-gold-sdhc-sdxc-c10-uhs-i-u3-memory-card
https://integralmemory.com/sites/default/files/products/specifcations/Integral_UltimaProX_SDHC-SDXC_C10_95MBs%2090MBs_spec_sheet_2.pdf

I bought the cards here:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00VFJR2VA

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Re: Mix-Pre 3/6 SD Memory Cards (What works and what doesn't?)
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2019, 04:54:20 AM »
Mix-Pre type: 6 (firmware 3.0.3)
Manufacturer: Kingston
Model: Kingston Canvas React Part Number: SDR/64GB
Rated Speed: 100MB/s read and 80MB/s write (BM Speed Test: Read: 88MB/s Write: 75MB/s)
Class: UHS-I Video Speed Class (V30)
Serial #:
Card Size, preferably in GB: 64 (64, 128 and 256 share same specs)
Recording Format (Bit Depth/Sample Rate): 24/192
Number of Channels: 8 => 6 ISO + 2 Mix
Phantom (On/Off): 4 On, 2 Off
Result: FAILED: Record Buffer Error

I formatted the card in the MP6.

Note:
High read and write speed card which works perfect for high bitrate RAW video recording but do not work in Sound Devices MixPre-6.
https://www.kingston.com/en/memory-cards/canvas-react-sd-card?partnum=SDR/64GB#specifications


 

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