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new Schoeps CMC 1 amplifier for the Colette series
« on: September 10, 2019, 03:35:13 PM »
Hi. Schoeps has just announced a new, miniaturized amplifier for the Colette series, the CMC 1. It works with all capsules and accessories of the Colette series, has all the same specifications as (or in a few details, slightly better than) the existing CMC 6 amplifier, but weighs only 1.3 ounces and is 1-1/2 inches long. It will be available starting October 1.

https://schoeps.de/en/products/colette/microphone-amplifiers/cmc-1.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7IPridYbgg

The U.S. price hasn't been set yet to my knowledge, but it should be in the general neighborhood of what a CMC 6 costs.

The CMC 6 will continue to be available and fully supported.

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Re: new Schoeps CMC 1 amplifier for the Colette series
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2019, 03:50:27 PM »
I can imagine people here who currently use the CMC6 might want to switch to the CMC1 for a more compact overall package, but I wonder if anyone around here who currently doesn't run a Schoeps body will be enticed to run the CMC1 because it's so much smaller than the CMC6.  Anyone?
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Re: Schoeps CMC 1 amplifier for the Colette series
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2019, 03:53:43 PM »
interesting. kind of reminds me of the DPA "MMP-C" compact series, which is cheaper and slightly reduced spec to their full "A" and "B" bodies.

One of the best advantages of these smaller bodies is they allow for a reduced shock mount rig, esp with stubby mini starquad cables

at full CMC spec this is cool tho ( at 1.8V it actually has considerably higher output voltage than a 1.0V cmc6 or 0.6-0.9V CMR, it also offers 4 dB higher max spl)

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Re: new Schoeps CMC 1 amplifier for the Colette series
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2019, 04:08:01 PM »
They said $849 on their Instagram post.

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Re: new Schoeps CMC 1 amplifier for the Colette series
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2019, 04:14:46 PM »
$50 over a CMC6, not awful but a tough sell considering the tons of good used CMC6s on the market all the time (many are even the newer RFI shielded models)
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Re: new Schoeps CMC 1 amplifier for the Colette series
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2019, 04:59:13 PM »
It's meant as an option for those whose particular applications make it worthwhile. It's not intended to supersede the CMC 6. My guess is that plenty of people will be more comfortable with the established, more "normal"-looking amplifier. Not everyone needs the ultra-small size, light weight, and/or those extra few dB of maximum SPL.

--Just in case it didn't stand out in the video or on the Web page, the current draw of the CMC 1 at 48 Volts is about half that of the CMC 6. Even at 12 Volts, where the CMC 6 is already twice as power-efficient as it is at 48, the CMC 1 draws only 3 mA rather than 8. So people with Sound Devices and other gear that has 12 or 15 Volt phantom powering might welcome that as well, with the caveat that when the CMC 1 is powered at only 12 Volts it no longer has a higher maximum SPL than the CMC 6 does.

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Re: new Schoeps CMC 1 amplifier for the Colette series
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2019, 05:06:20 PM »
Hi. Schoeps has just announced a new, miniaturized amplifier for the Colette series, the CMC 1. It works with all capsules and accessories of the Colette series, has all the same specifications as (or in a few details, slightly better than) the existing CMC 6 amplifier, but weighs only 1.3 ounces and is 1-1/2 inches long. It will be available starting October 1.

https://schoeps.de/en/products/colette/microphone-amplifiers/cmc-1.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7IPridYbgg

The U.S. price hasn't been set yet to my knowledge, but it should be in the general neighborhood of what a CMC 6 costs.

The CMC 6 will continue to be available and fully supported.

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Re: new Schoeps CMC 1 amplifier for the Colette series
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2019, 05:22:21 PM »
No offense taken. I left the B9 thread quite some time ago, after posting there once about something that was largely irrelevant (people's misuse of the word "colette"); I realized that I was suppressing/denying anger that I truly didn't wish to express, since there was nothing to be gained by my expressing it. So I left instead, and my mental life has definitely been better since then.

The principle of "live and let live" seems to apply nicely in this forum, as well as in that other strange space where people, you know, walk around and breathe and have their lives.

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Re: new Schoeps CMC 1 amplifier for the Colette series
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2019, 05:56:20 PM »
as well as in that other strange space where people, you know, walk around and breathe and have their lives.

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Re: new Schoeps CMC 1 amplifier for the Colette series
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2019, 06:18:44 PM »
$50 over a CMC6, not awful but a tough sell considering the tons of good used CMC6s on the market all the time (many are even the newer RFI shielded models)

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Re: new Schoeps CMC 1 amplifier for the Colette series
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2019, 06:31:17 PM »
The cmc1 looks great. How do I connect these to a roland r-05? Babynbox? I'm seriously considering schoeps lately.
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Re: new Schoeps CMC 1 amplifier for the Colette series
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2019, 06:37:25 PM »
The cmc1 looks great. How do I connect these to a roland r-05? Babynbox? I'm seriously considering schoeps lately.


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Re: new Schoeps CMC 1 amplifier for the Colette series
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2019, 10:18:02 PM »
$50 over a CMC6, not awful but a tough sell considering the tons of good used CMC6s on the market all the time (many are even the newer RFI shielded models)

Don’t forget the schoepsnbox solution.

if you have any of the $300 handhelds with phantom these amplifiers are similar in cost to an nbox solution and saves you a huge extra box
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Re: new Schoeps CMC 1 amplifier for the Colette series
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2019, 10:24:21 PM »
The cmc1 looks great. How do I connect these to a roland r-05? Babynbox? I'm seriously considering schoeps lately.

you dont.. none of those provide phantom power. yo uneed at a minimum any of the small 2-channel phantom boxes (rolls pb224, denecke ps2, core sound 2phant, theres a sony (dunno part number i think its an accessory to one of their handhelds), etc
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Re: new Schoeps CMC 1 amplifier for the Colette series
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2019, 08:39:35 PM »
Very interesting.  I wonder if they will still sell many CCM units once the CMC 1 is out.  Schoeps capsules (other than MK 8) are going for about $800 US now, and if the CMC1 is $849, that looks like a much better deal for a compact solution than $1800 each for a CCM.
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Re: new Schoeps CMC 1 amplifier for the Colette series
« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2019, 09:34:12 PM »
for sure, if anything youd think the ccm would be made obsolete by this, not the cmr
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Re: new Schoeps CMC 1 amplifier for the Colette series
« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2019, 09:49:57 PM »
Schoeps copying b9audio or dpa???  I only say this as my b9audio team thread got hyjacked by butt hurt schoeps fans (which I'm a 20year member) knocking b9 products ( which wasn't the place or time)  so I'd figure I would get my own dig in

I assume you're referring to my comments there. I'm not "butt hurt," nor was I "knocking" a product with which I have no first hand experience. So I'm sorry if I came off that way or offended you. :cheers:

I was simply pointing out that b9audio was imitating the look of Schoeps products in a way I find distasteful, and which reminds me of Behringer's blatant copies of Mackie and other gear.

The cmc1 might serve a similar purpose as the DPA small body, in the same way their V4u serves the same purpose as a Neumann tlm 103- but nobody would mistake either of those Schoeps products for its competitor. The b9audio microphones seem to be designed to be mistaken for Schoeps.  :smash:

I just think it's ultimately much cooler to make your new cool products look unique, (and I much prefer Phish to JRAD). And the CMC1 looks exactly as you would expect from Schoeps. I bet it works well too.
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Re: new Schoeps CMC 1 amplifier for the Colette series
« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2019, 10:23:00 PM »
jerryfreak, a lot depends on what options interest a person. For me, my first priority was interchangeable capsules with different directional patterns so that I could adapt my recording techniques to different venues and aesthetic goals. Then and only then, I started using active accessories such as Colette extension cables, and later, extension tubes as well (RC -- and RCY --). They allow for less visually obtrusive setups, but apart from that they don't really create whole new possibilities in the way that different capsules can do.

The immediate forerunner of the Colette series was a small series of microphones ("CMMT") that Schoeps made for the French state-run (at the time) radio network. It was arranged with the capsule attached permanently to the FET impedance converter. This could be attached to the output stage/body either directly or via an extension cable, which was simply a passive cable. This arrangement is mentioned as "prior art" in the Schoeps/Wuttke patent for the Colette system. The CMMT series never sold very widely, nor did it diversify in the way that the Colette system has (at first there were only seven capsule types; now there are about 20, for example). If there had been alternate capsule types for the CMMT, each one would have needed its own, built-in FET impedance converter circuit, making it more costly and inefficient to produce and to buy than is really necessary.

The way Schoeps arranged the Colette system, you pay only for the features that you actually use. Nothing about Colette capsules, for example, makes them particularly more expensive on account of their ability to work with (or without) active accessories. The same is true of CMC amplifiers (or OK, maybe a dollar extra for the concentric socket connector where either a capsule or an active accessory can be attached).

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Re: new Schoeps CMC 1 amplifier for the Colette series
« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2019, 10:40:17 PM »
CCM is smaller than CMC1 (and CCM L for that matter) if that is of consideration.
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Re: new Schoeps CMC 1 amplifier for the Colette series
« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2019, 10:59:00 PM »
I was simply pointing out that b9audio was imitating the look of Schoeps products in a way I find distasteful, and which reminds me of Behringer's blatant copies of Mackie and other gear.

Most people would take that as knocking the product.
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Re: new Schoeps CMC 1 amplifier for the Colette series
« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2019, 11:01:12 PM »
yug du, you're right, of course, that using a CMC 1 without a Colette cable would be longer than the CCM, but that's not the only alternative. A CCM-L microphone is slightly longer than the equivalent capsule on a Colette cable, if you measure from the point where a miniature stand adapter would hold each of them.

With apologies for the parallax and motion blur, below is an CCM 41 VL (on the left), next to the corresponding capsule (MK 41 V) on a Colette cable. I matched up the "mounting points" for the two as closely as I could.

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Re: new Schoeps CMC 1 amplifier for the Colette series
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2019, 11:52:11 AM »
One thing I have noticed is that the CMC1 doesn't have a smaller diameter at the XLR side like newer CMC bodies.  This would require a cable between the CMC1 and an XLR socket such as on a pre-amp.
Dsatz - Is there a reason Schoeps omitted this reduced diameter?
It would have been nice if you could plug directly into a preamp and use active cables to extend the CMC1 to a capsule.
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Re: new Schoeps CMC 1 amplifier for the Colette series
« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2019, 12:00:08 PM »
The immediate forerunner of the Colette series was a small series of microphones ("CMMT") that Schoeps made for the French state-run (at the time) radio network. It was arranged with the capsule attached permanently to the FET impedance converter. This could be attached to the output stage/body either directly or via an extension cable, which was simply a passive cable. This arrangement is mentioned as "prior art" in the Schoeps/Wuttke patent for the Colette system. The CMMT series never sold very widely, nor did it diversify in the way that the Colette system has (at first there were only seven capsule types; now there are about 20, for example). If there had been alternate capsule types for the CMMT, each one would have needed its own, built-in FET impedance converter circuit, making it more costly and inefficient to produce and to buy than is really necessary.
Note that only the Prototype CMMT's had the capsule in the same housing as the FET.  The production CMMT's (both the F and AF series) have removable capsules that are seperate from the upper FET stage of the body.  The FET Stage was detachable from the impedance convertor stage which used 3 transistors instead of a FET to transistor stage that is in the CMC3/5/6.


Schoeps made about 950 CMMT 30 F's and about 200 CMMT 30 AF's - In my profile pic you can see the 4 CMMT 30 AF's that I own - the FET stage is at the top the impedance converter is at the bottom.

There is a picture(s) of the CMMT 30 prototypes (showing the capsule with built in FET) in a French Audio magazine from Spring of 1965.  I have seen the picture(s) (low quality) once on some French Pro-Audio forum but have been unable to find the forum or pictures since.
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Re: new Schoeps CMC 1 amplifier for the Colette series
« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2019, 03:55:27 PM »
H2O, thank you for the information about the CMMT series. It's a series that I know very little about, and hope to find out more.

Also, I agree with you completely about the reduced diameter around the XLR connector. That feature was introduced some years after the CMC series itself was introduced; the earliest Colette amplifiers didn't have it.

I had in fact mentioned this in one discussion prior to the product announcement, but we were talking about a whole bunch of things all at the same time and I let it fall into the cracks. I'll be speaking with those folks again soon, so I'll make sure to ask.

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