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Re: Shapeways mount / Shure doughnut - suggestions?
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2019, 04:29:50 PM »
Hoping to learn something here.... Are the Shapeways bars 'better' than the Schoeps bar or its clones (Kwon, NOLA, etc)?

Depends.  Note that the Shapeways bars are plastic, and wouldn't be appropriate for a situation where they might see abuse.  Though I use them a lot, I personally wouldn't use them in a pro situation...for that I'd want something more robust.

Are shapeways mounts really that fragile? If so I just blew $35.

If you are talking about SRS Recording Services specifically, then you have nothing to fear.  I find them to be very robust, particularly the new versions.  There are some strong naysayers, especially on GS Remote, who have never actually tried them.  The same is true for Scott's Rycote Lyre Mounting Base.  High quality construction; derided by those with no experience with it.

My mics are not very expensive, but I would have no qualms about running SRS mounts with mics costing thousands each.
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Re: Shapeways mount / Shure doughnut - suggestions?
« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2019, 04:50:40 PM »
Hoping to learn something here.... Are the Shapeways bars 'better' than the Schoeps bar or its clones (Kwon, NOLA, etc)?

Depends.  Note that the Shapeways bars are plastic, and wouldn't be appropriate for a situation where they might see abuse.  Though I use them a lot, I personally wouldn't use them in a pro situation...for that I'd want something more robust.

Are shapeways mounts really that fragile? If so I just blew $35.

You should be fine if you're careful with them, but they definitely aren't as sturdy as some of the other options.
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Re: Shapeways mount / Shure doughnut - suggestions?
« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2019, 10:56:16 AM »
Hoping to learn something here.... Are the Shapeways bars 'better' than the Schoeps bar or its clones (Kwon, NOLA, etc)?

Depends.  Note that the Shapeways bars are plastic, and wouldn't be appropriate for a situation where they might see abuse.  Though I use them a lot, I personally wouldn't use them in a pro situation...for that I'd want something more robust.

Are shapeways mounts really that fragile? If so I just blew $35.

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Shapeways mounts are NOT fragile!!

I do take care of my gear and I know that you do too.  I have a boatload of Shapeways mounts for the various mics in my locker and I have NEVER had a breakage issue with any of them. 
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Re: Shapeways mount / Shure doughnut - suggestions?
« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2019, 01:28:23 PM »
is there a knock off shure doughnut style shock?   links & suggestions appreciated.   my shapeways mount is a little small for my current elastic based shockmounts.
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Re: Shapeways mount / Shure doughnut - suggestions?
« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2019, 04:57:18 PM »
Hoping to learn something here.... Are the Shapeways bars 'better' than the Schoeps bar or its clones (Kwon, NOLA, etc)?

Depends.  Note that the Shapeways bars are plastic, and wouldn't be appropriate for a situation where they might see abuse.  Though I use them a lot, I personally wouldn't use them in a pro situation...for that I'd want something more robust.

Are shapeways mounts really that fragile? If so I just blew $35.

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Shapeways mounts are NOT fragile!!

I do take care of my gear and I know that you do too.  I have a boatload of Shapeways mounts for the various mics in my locker and I have NEVER had a breakage issue with any of them.

I guess it's all relative, but I've seen at least one break without being abused.  It was one of the Schoeps active mounts, and those mounts have some pretty thin bits to them.
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Re: Shapeways mount / Shure doughnut - suggestions?
« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2019, 12:51:54 PM »
is there a knock off shure doughnut style shock?   links & suggestions appreciated.   my shapeways mount is a little small for my current elastic based shockmounts.

My opinion is that the Rycote Lyre style mounts are superior in every way.  They are particularly easy to use with these Shapeways bars.  They are worth every bit the price.

The easiest way to go is with a Rycote INV-6.

If you're OCD like me and will be bothered by the fact that your mics will be off-center of the stand with one of those, and you don't need it to tilt, just get a pair of the standard 72-shore lyres and a SRS mounting base.  This is exactly the setup I use with my SRS / Shapeways bars, and it comes out be the same price as an INV-6.
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Re: Shapeways mount / Shure doughnut - suggestions?
« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2019, 05:13:54 PM »
is there a knock off shure doughnut style shock?   links & suggestions appreciated.   my shapeways mount is a little small for my current elastic based shockmounts.

Yeah my Shapeways Schoeps actives DIN bar wont work with an A20s mount. But it’s perfect in a Shure donut. Is there any issue with running this way? I tape open like 3 times a year, don’t really want to kick down for a Rycote mount.
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Re: Shapeways mount / Shure doughnut - suggestions?
« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2019, 06:20:35 PM »
Ran my 4v vertically for the first time ever, the Shapeways Schoeps actives DIN Vertical bar was a champ. I ran it inside of a knockoff Shure donut for Cass McCombs. I had my small stand bungeed to a pillar about 20’ from stage, 10’ up. The floor is wooden, and there was some stomping before the encore. The floor always vibrates, but no issues with the donut/mount. Very happy with the Shapeways. And my $5 donut. 😂

It’s one show, but I also think the verticals sound better run vertically, as opposed to DIN in a DIN bar horizontally I use for stealth. Seems to be a more airy and open presentation. I rarely run open so opportunities are rare. 
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Re: Shapeways mount / Shure doughnut - suggestions?
« Reply #23 on: October 14, 2019, 11:10:39 PM »
Ran my 4v vertically for the first time ever, the Shapeways Schoeps actives DIN Vertical bar was a champ. I ran it inside of a knockoff Shure donut for Cass McCombs. I had my small stand bungeed to a pillar about 20’ from stage, 10’ up. The floor is wooden, and there was some stomping before the encore. The floor always vibrates, but no issues with the donut/mount. Very happy with the Shapeways. And my $5 donut. 😂

It’s one show, but I also think the verticals sound better run vertically, as opposed to DIN in a DIN bar horizontally I use for stealth. Seems to be a more airy and open presentation. I rarely run open so opportunities are rare.


do you have a link to the $5 mount?

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Re: Shapeways mount / Shure doughnut - suggestions?
« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2019, 05:52:26 PM »
Ah no, sorry, it’s been years
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Re: Shapeways mount / Shure doughnut - suggestions?
« Reply #26 on: October 15, 2019, 06:14:51 PM »

Looks more like a long john than a donut.
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Re: Shapeways mount / Shure doughnut - suggestions?
« Reply #27 on: October 15, 2019, 06:20:13 PM »
I'll say this once more an then I promise I'll STFU about it:

I went through several different cheap shockmounts.  Some are OK, like the cheap Schoeps A20 knockoff I used for a while.  None of them isolate anywhere near as well as the Rycote InVision mounts.  They are worth the investment, especially given the fact that the lyres are nearly impossible to break.  I know I sound like I am a paid spokesperson, but really I am a converted skeptic.

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Re: Shapeways mount / Shure doughnut - suggestions?
« Reply #28 on: October 15, 2019, 07:27:42 PM »
I'll say this once more an then I promise I'll STFU about it:

I went through several different cheap shockmounts.  Some are OK, like the cheap Schoeps A20 knockoff I used for a while.  None of them isolate anywhere near as well as the Rycote InVision mounts.  They are worth the investment, especially given the fact that the lyres are nearly impossible to break.  I know I sound like I am a paid spokesperson, but really I am a converted skeptic.

If you think Rycote is expensive, then check out Cinela...

You know, it’s a whole Nother game running full sized mics in a cheap mount. I’d never do that. But with just caps in a Shapeways I don’t think it matters much. First time out there could not have been more vibrations, yet no audio evidence of any at all.

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Re: Shapeways mount / Shure doughnut - suggestions?
« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2019, 09:40:47 AM »
I'll say this once more an then I promise I'll STFU about it:

I went through several different cheap shockmounts.  Some are OK, like the cheap Schoeps A20 knockoff I used for a while.  None of them isolate anywhere near as well as the Rycote InVision mounts.  They are worth the investment, especially given the fact that the lyres are nearly impossible to break.  I know I sound like I am a paid spokesperson, but really I am a converted skeptic.

If you think Rycote is expensive, then check out Cinela...

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I agree with you 100% but I've also decided to STFU about this in this thread.  Shapeways & Rycote InVision mounts reign supreme for our purposes and they are most assuredly worth the modest investment for running active & full bodied mics, in my opinion...
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