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Multi-taping with many Audio/Video-devices - Need Your Input
« on: November 12, 2019, 12:29:58 PM »
Hello all fellow tapers around the world.

I´ve got permission from a band+the venue to bring Audio/Video-devices to record a concert later this week.

****Depending on what the band allows I will bring these rig´s:

- Edirol R-26  >> Multitrack mix with:
>> AT 943 External Mic´s  >> SP-BMC-1 Mic´s >> YX Mic´s


- Sony PCM D-100:
>> Might try to record in DSD/DSF or 192/24 Bit with another pair of AT943 Mic´s


- Zoom Q3HD - Minicam (If allowed up on the stage) >> 1080p


- Videocam - Panasonic HDC - TM 80 >> 1080p


- Nikon D-3400 >> 1080p


I will use 2 tripod´s for the cam´s and just sticky tape for the minicam.

The audio-devices I will clamp on myself and on 2 chairs from where I will also operate one videocam and zoom....the 2 other cam´s will just be from different angles with no zoom (static cam´s)......


Any advice/input/info would be appreciated......Many thanks!

Be Blessed and keep on taping!


 
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Sound Professionals Micro-mini microphone power supply with mini 12vdc battery and 24 inch hardwired output cable Soundprofessionals Batterybox >> Olympus Ls-10 Linear Recorder > 4 GB > 24 Bit / 48 Khz  > 24 Bit / 96 Khz

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Roland R-26 (96 / 24 Bit)

Sony PCM-D100 (192 / 24 Bit)

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Re: Multi-taping with many Audio/Video-devices - Need Your Input
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2019, 02:38:30 PM »
You have a lot of options with these sources.  I'm sure that others may have suggestions, but I've had some success getting good sounding recordings by mixing together the audio from mics on the stage, plus a soundboard feed, plus some ambient sound -  either from a pair of mics on the stage pointing at the crowd, or from mics near the soundboard (or both).
So, in your case (if I understand your rigs correctly), I'd put the Sony on the front of the stage with the AT cardioid mics on a small stand (like a kick drum mic stand) pointing at the band in a DIN, XY, ORTF or whatever pattern you like.
Then, I'd put the Roland at the soundboard and have them give you an XLR feed of their two main output channels.  If they're running everything MONO with no added reverb, then you can take one main output and ask for the other to be the lead vocals.  (this might not be as easy for them to route).
Use the other channels of the Roland for the AT943s in an XY/DIN/ORTF etc, and maybe the binaural mics spaced out as far as possible.  This setup may be tricky since you may need cable adapters to get everything plugged in.
Once you've got the files, they can be time-aligned and mixed in Audacity.  If you notice timing drift between the various decks and cameras, that can also be corrected using an old version of Audacity (described elsewhere on this site).

Good luck!  Have a great time!
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Re: Multi-taping with many Audio/Video-devices - Need Your Input
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2019, 03:15:49 PM »
You have a lot of options with these sources.  I'm sure that others may have suggestions, but I've had some success getting good sounding recordings by mixing together the audio from mics on the stage, plus a soundboard feed, plus some ambient sound -  either from a pair of mics on the stage pointing at the crowd, or from mics near the soundboard (or both).
So, in your case (if I understand your rigs correctly), I'd put the Sony on the front of the stage with the AT cardioid mics on a small stand (like a kick drum mic stand) pointing at the band in a DIN, XY, ORTF or whatever pattern you like.
Then, I'd put the Roland at the soundboard and have them give you an XLR feed of their two main output channels.  If they're running everything MONO with no added reverb, then you can take one main output and ask for the other to be the lead vocals.  (this might not be as easy for them to route).
Use the other channels of the Roland for the AT943s in an XY/DIN/ORTF etc, and maybe the binaural mics spaced out as far as possible.  This setup may be tricky since you may need cable adapters to get everything plugged in.
Once you've got the files, they can be time-aligned and mixed in Audacity.  If you notice timing drift between the various decks and cameras, that can also be corrected using an old version of Audacity (described elsewhere on this site).

Good luck!  Have a great time!

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Many thanks Rumbleseat.

Very good options that you mentioned.

I have limited time to set all up....and the band/venue might inflict in all options that I would like to have...so a compromise will be the most likely option...Also I will videotape and record sound at the same time, so there will be interesting options and last-second decisions made (like always) when doing multi-recordings.....

I will have limited access to the stage, so there will be more options to place mic´s around the venue and around the stage (most likely)...not so much on the stage...

It´s a quite small venue, so the sound will be quite "direct" and infront wherever I set up the mic´s...all in all maybe 10-12m distance from the end of the venue to the stage...so the sound will be quite "direct" and upfront...Also pointing some mic´s closely to the PA-stacks will get a direct and close sound that I prefer...

Many thanks again!


Soundprofessionals Audio Technica AT 943 (SP-CMC-8) External Stereo Microphones > SP-SPSB-10-80020
Sound Professionals Micro-mini microphone power supply with mini 12vdc battery and 24 inch hardwired output cable Soundprofessionals Batterybox >> Olympus Ls-10 Linear Recorder > 4 GB > 24 Bit / 48 Khz  > 24 Bit / 96 Khz

Zoom Q3 HD - 1080p / 96-24 Bit

Roland R-26 (96 / 24 Bit)

Sony PCM-D100 (192 / 24 Bit)

 

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