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comp: Sonosax SX-M2D2 vs Zoom F6
« on: January 27, 2020, 10:45:31 PM »
a few tracks from UM 2020-01-25, we were FOBish (~9ft stand) on the rail halfway back on the floor

sax rig: MMC 4011> MMP-C  bodies > Sax SX-M2D2 > lightning to metarecorder at 24/48 >audacity (vol. adjustment)> .flac
zoom rig: MMC 4011> MMP-C  bodies > Zoom F6 @ 32/96 > soundforge (vol adjustment, resample, bit depth converter) > .flac

also i swapped the channels on one of the set of files as we were slightly off center and you can hear that the imaging was opposite


foobar ABX plugin is in the .rar (file>preferences>components>install>reboot.... load files in playlist>select the 2 to compare > right click > utilities >ABX compare)

they are distinctly different i picked 8 out of 8 on each trial. but which sound do you prefer, and why?

EDIT:updated link

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RpIVLb2QKeZf-0ghQJkei3iSm_d7qHJK/view?usp=sharing
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Re: comp: Sonosax SX-M2D2 vs Zoom F6
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2020, 04:32:27 AM »
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Re: comp: Sonosax SX-M2D2 vs Zoom F6
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Re: comp: Sonosax SX-M2D2 vs Zoom F6
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Re: comp: Sonosax SX-M2D2 vs Zoom F6
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2020, 01:52:32 PM »
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Re: comp: Sonosax SX-M2D2 vs Zoom F6
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2020, 03:00:01 PM »
try now guys
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Re: comp: Sonosax SX-M2D2 vs Zoom F6
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2020, 04:57:29 PM »
Looks like a solid comp...I'll give this a shot tonight.  Thanks for doing this!
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Re: comp: Sonosax SX-M2D2 vs Zoom F6
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2020, 05:00:18 PM »
Looks like a solid comp...I'll give this a shot tonight.  Thanks for doing this!

it was sheer blind luck that we both were running 4011Cs into separate, relatively new pieces of gear, so we took advantage

i also ran 4011ER into the zoom, in a slightly tighter pattern

old and in the way has a shot of the mics , the two sets of 4011Cs were in an almost identical PAS config
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Re: comp: Sonosax SX-M2D2 vs Zoom F6
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2020, 10:56:47 PM »
What's the deal with the two pairs of files (the educated guess files and the 2x2 files)?  I want to make sure I don't prematurely listen to something that might skew my results because I want to do this as blind as possible.
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Re: comp: Sonosax SX-M2D2 vs Zoom F6
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2020, 10:59:21 PM »
What's the deal with the two pairs of files (the educated guess files and the 2x2 files)?  I want to make sure I don't prematurely listen to something that might skew my results because I want to do this as blind as possible.

theres two sources for each song (and those are umphrey's song titles in case you weren't aware)

A and B sources may be the same between the two songs... or they may be different....
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Re: comp: Sonosax SX-M2D2 vs Zoom F6
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2020, 11:05:09 PM »
What's the deal with the two pairs of files (the educated guess files and the 2x2 files)?  I want to make sure I don't prematurely listen to something that might skew my results because I want to do this as blind as possible.

theres two sources for each song (and those are umphrey's song titles in case you weren't aware)

A and B sources may be the same between the two songs... or they may be different....

I'm an idiot.  Sorry!
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Re: comp: Sonosax SX-M2D2 vs Zoom F6
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2020, 11:40:52 PM »
I'm going to PM you my thoughts so as to not influence anyone who hasn't had a chance to listen yet. 
Recordings on LMA: https://archive.org/search.php?query=taper%3A%22Lucas+Lorenz%22
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Re: comp: Sonosax SX-M2D2 vs Zoom F6
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2020, 12:03:06 PM »
First, thanks for taking the time and trouble to post this comp!
 
Second, I have some major caveats to note: I listened on my work computer, with a crappy sound card, using inexpensive in-ear headphones, and I only listened to 2 x 2. That being said, I was 16 for 16 using ABX comparator. After listening, I looked at the amplitude statistics and noted that sample A was ~ 1 dB average RMS louder than sample B (for Educated Guess, sample A was ~ 0.7 dB average RMS quieter). So I preferred A (for 2 x 2), which had better vocal clarity and high end definition, but that may have been affected by the volume difference. Also, my playback is kind of light in the bass range, so I would have had trouble hearing differences in that range.

Long and short: I would like to equalize the volume and listen on my nice cans, DAC and headphone amp and see if that changes my initial impression...



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Re: comp: Sonosax SX-M2D2 vs Zoom F6
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2020, 12:46:39 PM »
The peaks were similar on both one just has very different dynamics than the other. I can normalize them to the same RMS.
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Re: comp: Sonosax SX-M2D2 vs Zoom F6
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2020, 02:26:53 PM »
Thanks for putting this up.  Will give a listen and post my impressions once I get a chance.
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