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MICS for LOUD ROCK, METAL recording
« on: February 17, 2020, 08:01:10 AM »
I currency using SP-CMC-2-XLR
https://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-CMC-2-XLR

I WANT TO UPGRADE my current mics with something new for better sound in similar price range.

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- Oktava MK012-01 max  - spl 130 is to weak i think.
- Sennheiser E614
- SE Electronics SE8
- SP-CMC-4U-PHANTOM (U853)
« Last Edit: February 20, 2020, 02:35:36 AM by shpy »
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Re: Sennheiser E614 LOUD ROCK
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2020, 08:35:34 AM »
It's certainly possible for concert sound levels to reach 130dB or higher but it would be extremely painful to be in the room.

Any mic that can handle 125 dB or higher would be suitable for just about any concert recording from the audience if you have the capability to move farther from the source if you get to the limit.

Handy explanation and links here - http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-SoundAndDistance.htm

The Sennheiser have a claimed max SPL of 139dB. That's about like standing next to a jet plane taking off.
The Oktavas have a max of 130. I have them and have used them for close miking a jazz drummer. Easily as loud as a metal show when used that close. No problems.

It's more likely that you will have to worry about your preamp or the input stage of your recorder when recording at high SPL.
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Re: Sennheiser E614 LOUD ROCK
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2020, 11:55:33 AM »
I've used the e614s a bit.  I think they're a good value.  Here are some examples:

https://archive.org/details/kungfu2019-04-12.e614
https://archive.org/details/garaj2019-05-31.e614.OCT.flac1648
https://archive.org/details/goose2019-02-02.OCT2.e614.AT4031
https://archive.org/details/Spyscraper2019-02-02.e614.AT4031
https://archive.org/details/mdb2020-01-24.e614.DPA4061.flac1648

Note those last three combine the e614s with other mics, so you're not hearing ONLY the e614s.  I'd also note that I think the sound in the room for the Garaj Mahal and Mike Dillon Band shows were not very good, so take those with a grain of salt (having seen a few shows in that room now I think it's just a pretty bad sounding room).  You can at least hear that the mics can handle the SPL of a loud show, though.
Recordings on LMA: https://archive.org/search.php?query=taper%3A%22Lucas+Lorenz%22
Mics: AT4031 | AT853 (C/SC) | Line Audio CM3 | Sennheiser e614 | Sennheiser MKE2 | DPA 4061 | CA-14 omni Pres: CA9200 | DPA d:vice Decks: Zoom F8 | Roland R-05

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Re: Sennheiser E614 LOUD ROCK
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2020, 01:16:55 PM »
Thanks :) it sounds dynamic and clear :) nice, but maybe someone had cmc-2 and changed to one of those mics.. is there noticeable difference, is it worth for changing. Can't have both :)
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Re: Sennheiser E614 LOUD ROCK
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2020, 01:30:03 PM »
Thanks :) it sounds dynamic and clear :) nice, but maybe someone had cmc-2 and changed to one of those mics.. is there noticeable difference, is it worth for changing. Can't have both :)

Forgive me but I'm not clear about what you're asking here.
Recordings on LMA: https://archive.org/search.php?query=taper%3A%22Lucas+Lorenz%22
Mics: AT4031 | AT853 (C/SC) | Line Audio CM3 | Sennheiser e614 | Sennheiser MKE2 | DPA 4061 | CA-14 omni Pres: CA9200 | DPA d:vice Decks: Zoom F8 | Roland R-05

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Re: Sennheiser E614 LOUD ROCK
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2020, 10:12:07 PM »
I m trying to say i dont know if it worth to sell my mics and buy new ones,  will i hear better sound ?

They will sound different, if for no other reason than your current mics are cardioids and the e614s are supercardioids.  Whether one is better than the other in terms of sound is subjective. 

If you want my two cents, I'd say hold off and keep listening to recordings until you hear mics that you are convinced sound better than what you have (for the types of shows and venues you go to, of course), and then buy those or save up until you can.  And if you don't find any that sound better then just keep rocking what you have now.
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Re: Sennheiser E614 LOUD ROCK
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2020, 06:06:44 AM »
Google links to some recordings. 
For "normal loud" rock shows, I think E614 can sound great IMO.

I have a pair of these mics.
Would love to find out which Oade Mod mpmgumby was running in those links as I have UA5s with W+ and ACM+.
Open ~ Beyerdynamic MC930/950 : Line Audio CM3/OM1 :
Closed ~ AT831b/853 (c,o) : Shure Beta98/s
Pres ~ 2x Oade mod UA-5 (W+, ACM+), Sound Pro bboxes
Decks ~ DR680mkII, DR2d
Also ~ AT3031 : Berliner CM33 : Busman BSC1/K1-4 : Sennheiser e614

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Re: Sennheiser E614 or SE Electronics SE8 for LOUD ROCK
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2020, 10:45:56 AM »
I think that his Marantz PMD660 had the Oade "Song Catcher" mod.
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Re: Sennheiser E614 or SE Electronics SE8 for LOUD ROCK
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2020, 05:17:31 AM »
Whould be great to return to topic.  Is Sennheiser E614 is good upgrade from SP-CMC-2  for heavy music?
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Re: MICS for LOUD ROCK, METAL recording
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2020, 04:10:24 PM »
As your other thread states, something about the configuration of your SP-CMC-2 mics/recorder isn't right.

Try and narrow down the issue you're experiencing.

IMO the CMC-2's work well for rock, though I prefer the AT853's. I've stated my impressions of both elsewhere on this site.

I retired my CMC-2s a few years ago, but still run AT831 cardioids (also purchased from SP), as backup rigs, very often.

Happy to take this to pm; you can also check out the sample on this:

http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=498849, or for giggles, this ancient recording:

https://archive.org/details/ssuckers2004-02-02.shnf
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Re: MICS for LOUD ROCK, METAL recording
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2020, 04:13:37 PM »
I nearly forgot this incredible recording a mate of mine made:

https://archive.org/details/TheBellRays2016-04-23.aud.flac16
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Re: MICS for LOUD ROCK, METAL recording
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2020, 05:19:44 PM »
soundman okm ii rock studio

Recorders: SD MixPre 3 II; Sony A10; Edirol R44; Sony M10; Sony WM-D6; Edirol R-09HR; iRiver IHP-120; Sharp MD-MT20; Sharp MD-MT190
Microphones: Nevaton MC59/S (cards); Milab VM-44 Links (cards), AT853 7.4mod (cards); AT831 (cards); Nakamichi CM300 (all CP's); Soundman OKM II Rock Studios
Preamps: Beyerdynamic MV100; JK Laboratories DVC-X-17b; Naiant IPA; Nakamichi MX-100 modded for 9v battery use

 

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