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Found a Few Battery Options for NJB3
« on: January 23, 2005, 09:00:27 PM »


$51 from here http://www.digital-camera-battery.net/universal-battery.htm#

As it has a setting for 5v and comes with all the adapters chargers, it is an alternative to the $60 replacement from Creative...

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Re: Found a New External Battery For NJB3
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2005, 09:07:40 PM »
Here is another possibility, but it only puts out 4.8v

http://www.batteryspace.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1307



The Price is nice tho, $19.95!!
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Re: Found a New External Battery For NJB3
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2005, 09:15:14 PM »
And a third option, although it is from Tiger Direct



$29.99

It is a 3600 mAh external Li-ion Battery Pack so might be worth a shot...

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=318871&CatId=1433
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Re: Found a Few Battery Options for NJB3
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2005, 11:26:56 AM »
The top battery in this thread is the power runner 2200, which has a capacity of 3.2A-hr @ 5v.  The power runner 2300 has a capacity of 7.2A-hr @ 5v.  More than twice the capacity/runtime, for a little less than twice as much, $90.  I'd imagine the 2200 would run the JB3 for about 6 hrs, probably get about 12-14 hours out of the 2300 (not that I've tried either).

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Re: Found a Few Battery Options for NJB3--Update
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2005, 09:57:35 AM »
  It just so happened that I was in the market for a external power supply for the JB3 when this post came up.  So I went ahead and ordered the top one and hoped for the best.   The company shipped it very quickly via UPS.   I charged it up which took about three hours.  It has a really nice 4 light LED power meter on it.  I really like the fact that it came with a car adapter for charging on the go :).
   As for run time for the unit I have been running my DA-P1 into the JB3 and so far I have gotten about 7 and a half hours out of it. It is finally on the last light on the meter so Im assuming you cant push it much farther. 
   I would say this is a worthwhile investment, could be good for the festies especially if you charge it from your car in the morning.  It is also super light weight so it would also be a small burden for those wishing to tape a little more discretely than usuall.

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Re: Found a New External Battery For NJB3
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2005, 10:24:34 AM »
And a third option, although it is from Tiger Direct



$29.99

It is a 3600 mAh external Li-ion Battery Pack so might be worth a shot...

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=318871&CatId=1433

Do you think that would work?

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Re: Found a Few Battery Options for NJB3--Update
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2005, 04:43:25 AM »
  It just so happened that I was in the market for a external power supply for the JB3 when this post came up.  So I went ahead and ordered the top one and hoped for the best.   The company shipped it very quickly via UPS.   I charged it up which took about three hours.  It has a really nice 4 light LED power meter on it.  I really like the fact that it came with a car adapter for charging on the go :).
   As for run time for the unit I have been running my DA-P1 into the JB3 and so far I have gotten about 7 and a half hours out of it. It is finally on the last light on the meter so Im assuming you cant push it much farther. 
   I would say this is a worthwhile investment, could be good for the festies especially if you charge it from your car in the morning.  It is also super light weight so it would also be a small burden for those wishing to tape a little more discretely than usuall.

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did you get the 2200 or the 2300?  are you running at 5V or 4.5V



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Re: Found a Few Battery Options for NJB3
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2005, 11:52:17 AM »
Just placed an order for the 2300. I run some tests if others are interested once I get it.
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Re: Found a Few Battery Options for NJB3
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2005, 02:21:13 PM »
Just placed an order for the 2300. I run some tests if others are interested once I get it.


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Re: Found a Few Battery Options for NJB3
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2005, 04:28:17 PM »
Well, out of the box, the 2300 isn't working. It shipps charged, but I am getting no power to the JB3....Sad!   :'(
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Re: Found a Few Battery Options for NJB3
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2005, 04:39:15 PM »
Well, out of the box, the 2300 isn't working. It shipps charged, but I am getting no power to the JB3....Sad!   :'(

Hmm, crappy.  Have you double-checked the obvious -- 2300 set to 5v, correct polarity on the adapter tip going to the jb3, etc.?
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Re: Found a Few Battery Options for NJB3
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2005, 04:43:11 PM »
Yep. Even tried the 4.5 setting just to check. Polarity, I believe I have it right, TIP > + 9 (so the + on the tip matches with the + on the plug.)..
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Re: Found a Few Battery Options for NJB3
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2005, 04:47:28 PM »
Sounds right.  If you have access to a voltmeter you could check to be sure you're getting +5v out of the cable/tip.  Otherwise, I'm out of suggestions.
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Re: Found a Few Battery Options for NJB3
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2005, 10:48:40 AM »
OK, I tested with a multimeter, and I appear to be getting nothing. I'm not really good with the advanced electronic stuff, so I basically tested the plug in from the wall for the JB3 and got a response, and then did it with the battery and got minimal to no repsonse on the multimeter. I have the battery plugged in for charging now, but all the lights are on making me think it is already charged. I'll check again in a few hours, and if I still have nothing, I will be sending this back.
 
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Re: Found a Few Battery Options for NJB3
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2005, 11:05:13 AM »
Double check that you've got the power tip inserted the right way to start off, first plug the cable into the battery, then plug the battery into the jb3, and then turn on the jb3.  Oh, also, before you start any of this, use the continuity setting on the multimeter to be sure that there are no shorts in the cable between power and ground (or if you don't have a continuity setting, just use the resistance setting -- if you have 0 ohm of resistance, then you have a short in the cable).  Also, it is probably best on your initial testing to remove the internal batteries from the jb3.

The memorex/wallyworld li-ion batteries have protection circuits built into them.  When they are short circuited, and perhaps when they are hooked up backwards to equipment, the protection circuit shuts off the output of the battery.  (The protection circuit would almost certainly kick in if you had the tip inserted backwards to begin with and had batteries in the jukebox to start, since the jb3 batteries might be applying an opposite charge to the external battery.)  From what I can tell from my memorex one, when this happens, the only way to get it to turn off the protection circuit and return to normal is to hook it up to the charger.  The moment it is hooked up to the charger, it goes back to normal and all the charge it had before is available.

Since you were getting nothing from the battery on the voltmeter, this makes me think that this is what happened to you.  Otherwise, you should have been getting some low level of voltage reading on the output.  And that would explain the deal with all the lights -- it would go from essentially 0 charge (or really 0 voltage due to the protection circuit) to fully charged as soon as it was plugged into the charger.

Hopefully, this was the problem and the battery will turn out to work fine with the jb3.
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Re: Found a Few Battery Options for NJB3
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2005, 12:09:58 PM »
Well, I've given up on this one and will be sending it back for a refund. Oh well. The search continues.  ;)
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Re: Found a Few Battery Options for NJB3
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2005, 12:12:03 PM »
Dammit!

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Re: Found a Few Battery Options for NJB3
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2005, 12:19:24 PM »
Well I went with the "2200" just to see if I recieved the same results as Tascamguy. First, I want to state that what I recieve is not the 2200 as far as I can tell. The battery looks different, there are a few more plug ins, and it also comes with its own case.  Recieved this yesterday and charged it up last night. Took only an hour. This morning I decided to test it to see if it works and it does. I haven't had a chance to test it out in the field, but it does power it. To run the battery in between the JB3 and the battery, there are two different cables. One is small while the other one is extendable. Either end of these will work, but the right angle one will fight more snuggly into the JB3. I have posted three pictures below. The first one is the battery with all of its accessories minus the charger plug in. The second one is the one with the battery and the two plug ins. The third one is the battery pluged into the JB3. If you need any more pictures let me know.





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Re: Found a Few Battery Options for NJB3
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2005, 12:23:47 PM »
Yeah, that does look different than the pictures I've seen on the 2200.  Could you give more details on the battery you got?  Is it labelled as a Power Runner 2200 or is it something different?  What is the ma-Hr capacity of the battery?  What voltage settings does it have, eg 4.5v, 6v, 9v, etc?  What voltage setting are you using to get it to work with the jb3?
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Re: Found a Few Battery Options for NJB3
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2005, 12:30:35 PM »
It is not labeled Power Runner 2200. The battery has no company markings. Just says Lithium-ion Battery Pack, and the serial number. The instructions just say Universal Camcorders & Digital Camera Lithium-Ion Battery. The operation current is Max 1.5A. Not sure about the per hour part (nothing I could find). It has a voltage output of either 3V, 5V, 6V, or 7.2V. I used the 5V for the JB3.
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Re: Found a Few Battery Options for NJB3
« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2005, 01:38:39 PM »
Cool, thanks.  It may not be on there, but the capacity spec I'm looking for would be something like 3600mAh or 5400mAh, or somesuch.  It may not be on the battery though, since I think capacity will vary depending on what voltage setting you use. Perhaps it is in the user manual if you got one.

Maybe if you have a chance sometime, you can set the thing up to record at home and let us know how long it lasts for recording.  Overall though, it looks like a good option for jb3 power.  Good find!

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Re: Found a Few Battery Options for NJB3
« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2005, 01:51:47 PM »
I agree! At $58 bucks its pretty affordable and gives you the versatility to run the JB3 for at least 6 hours and even the V3 for over 3! All this and the thing only weighs 182 grams. Crazy!

The only questions for me are:
1. "More than 500 times recycle life-time。" - is that good or bad
2. Is Li-ion better or worse than Ni-cd

http://www.digital-camera-battery.net/universal-battery.htm#

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Re: Found a Few Battery Options for NJB3
« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2005, 04:47:13 PM »
I bought it directly from the link. I just used it today for a show (only 1 hour) and work through the whole thing. Maybe I will try the battery out to see how long it lasts, but I am not sure when I will have time to do that. Also, here is a picture of the battery from the website:

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Re: Found a Few Battery Options for NJB3
« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2005, 04:52:26 PM »
I agree! At $58 bucks its pretty affordable and gives you the versatility to run the JB3 for at least 6 hours and even the V3 for over 3! All this and the thing only weighs 182 grams. Crazy!

The only questions for me are:
1. "More than 500 times recycle life-time。" - is that good or bad
2. Is Li-ion better or worse than Ni-cd

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Re: Found a Few Battery Options for NJB3
« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2005, 11:41:02 AM »
Just as an update to this, I got the Powerrunner 2310 and it works perfectly.  I got it here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=15055&item=5773905259

Info pulled from another JB3 battery thread where I just posted:

Switchable output voltage of 3, 4.5, 5, 6, 7.5, and 12.  Works like a charm with the JB3 at the 5v setting, right out of the box.  No mods necessary, no buying extra parts or adapters or adaptaplugs.  Really a very easy power solution to the JB3.  At the 5v setting, it has a 7.2A-hr capacity, which given the power draw of the JB3, should be enough to run it for 24 hours.  Or stated otherwise, the equivalent of 8 internal JB3 batteries, which would cost apparently about $400 if you could find them.  The model I got, PR2310, was $70 from the above link.  The same vendor has the PR2200 model which is the same physical size, but has half the capacity, for $50.  This should run the JB3 for about 12 hours, or the equivalent of 4 JB3 batteries ($200).

I'm testing my battery out right now, running my JB3 without its internal batteries.  Seems to be working great, booted up fine and I'm recording at 44.1k wav seemingly fine.  I'll check the recording file in a bit, but I imagine it is all fine.  I doubt I'll have the motivation to test exactly how long this will run, since it will probably be at least 20hours and more like 24. 

I need to dig up the other thread, but I thought someone else tried this product and said it didn't work.  I'm guessing he didn't have access to a voltmeter.  The one issue I did find is the cable that comes with it is labelled wrong, so according to the actual labeling on the cable you'd have to run it with the adaptaplug in the "tip-negative" position in order to get it to have +5v at the tip (which is really "tip-positive").  I discovered this right away with my voltmeter before I ran it into the JB3.  So besides this mis-labeling on the cable (no idea if this extends to the other ones they sell, but I imagine), it works fine, you just need to insure you've got it set up to provide +5v at the center tip of the cable (hence access to a voltmeter is handy).  This is probably the problem BornAgain had with his, though I have no idea why he couldn't get it to work after he had gotten a voltmeter and insured that his was wired up properly.


Bottom line, the Powerrunner is an excellent option for out-of-the-box JB3 powering, allowing long runtimes at little cost.

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Re: Found a Few Battery Options for NJB3
« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2005, 11:48:27 AM »
Very good work, +T!

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Re: Found a Few Battery Options for NJB3
« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2005, 12:18:53 PM »
I'm thinking I had a bum battery. If I recall when testing, I was getting no readings at all on the voltmeter from the battery. Or, maybe the cable was bad. I will be trying this again though. Thanks for testing it out!
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Re: Found a Few Battery Options for NJB3
« Reply #27 on: May 28, 2005, 01:41:14 PM »
Just recieved my second Powerrunner 2310, and it does indeed work. I'm sticking with I either had a bum battery or a bum cable. + still matches the + and it powered right on.
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Re: Found a Few Battery Options for NJB3
« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2005, 01:08:45 PM »
Just a small update on the battery pack. Trying to do some testing on how long it will last. Here's what I did. I set up the whole rig last night (mics>ua-5>jb3) and ran optical in on the JB3. For some reason it stopped recording at 2:30:00 (not exactly, but close enough). It wasn't the battery pack as it still had power showing. I brought the JB3 and battery into work with me this morning for more test. Running line in at 44.1 recording from another JB3. It's been going about 3:30:00 with the battery pack with one green and one red light and no change. Same power level on battery as when I started last night. So, with about 6 hours of recording the battery shows no signs of wearing down.

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Figured out why it stopped overnight. 2:30:00 wasn't the length, but the time. And I didn't have the continuos feature enabled. BUT...at about 4:16:48 (1:16:48 into the second 3:00 recording) the JB3 froze and lost the entire recording. That's the first time I've ever had that happen to this JB3.
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Re: Found a Few Battery Options for NJB3
« Reply #29 on: July 02, 2005, 07:48:59 PM »
ran the powerrunner today recording live 8  ran the jb3 from 7am till 6pm and still have one bar left.  pretty sweet.  great find todd
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« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2005, 05:00:26 PM »
Thanks for that, I've got to pick me up one of these.
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Re: Found a Few Battery Options for NJB3
« Reply #31 on: August 12, 2005, 01:58:25 PM »
ran the powerrunner today recording live 8  ran the jb3 from 7am till 6pm and still have one bar left.  pretty sweet.  great find todd
which model?
22 or 23

how do you figure the run time of the 22 over the 23?
i don't understand the amp hour stuff
Mics - AKG ck61/ck63 (c480b & Naiant actives), SP-BMC-2
XLR Cables - Silver Path w/Darktrain stubbies
Interconnect Cables - Dogstar (XLR), Darktrain (RCA > 1/8) (1/8 > 1/8), and Kind Kables (1/8f > 1/4)
Preamps - Naiant Littlebox & Tinybox
Recorders - PCM-M10 & DR-60D

 

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