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Re: 0 degree, near coincidence cardioids
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2005, 06:32:44 PM »
matt (dgrayshn) runs his 414 cards AB a lot and swears by it...ask him...or hear for yourself: http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=dgrayshn%20AND%20mediatype%3Aetree%20AND%20collection%3Aetree

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I've not had any phase problems while running AB.. I also managed to convet a religious XY taper over to AB... we both agree that XY to our ears often does not sound realistic... to us AB sounds like you are actually in a room with space around you.. XY sounds far too often like you are in a box... thats the best way I know how to desrcibe it :-)

have you experimented with any other stereo configs? I agree with you about x/y in general but I've never been pleased with the few AB tapes that I've heard. I'm going to grab one of your tapes though and give it a shot!
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Re: 0 degree, near coincidence cardioids
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2005, 06:39:05 PM »
not mono?  I'm finding that VERY hard to believe.  any way you can post a sample?

This is an analog of Max Creek taped at The West Hartford Ballroom using the A-B technique. This club was a big open room and the sound man wouldn't let anyone tape in the middle as it obstructed his view of the stage, so this was taped in front of the left stack.

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Re: 0 degree, near coincidence cardioids
« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2005, 06:42:18 PM »
do you anything DFC?

that would be a better listening test.

oh and sorry about the confusion earlier. :)

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Re: 0 degree, near coincidence cardioids
« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2005, 06:45:27 PM »
do you anything DFC?

that would be a better listening test.

oh and sorry about the confusion earlier. :)

No, sorry I dont, but at DFC I personally wouldn't use this. The GD tape is closer to center, but I haven't done the A-D conversion yet
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Re: 0 degree, near coincidence cardioids
« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2005, 06:49:41 PM »
gotcha, thanks anyways +T

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Re: 0 degree, near coincidence cardioids
« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2005, 10:04:21 PM »
matt (dgrayshn) runs his 414 cards AB a lot and swears by it...ask him...or hear for yourself: http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=dgrayshn%20AND%20mediatype%3Aetree%20AND%20collection%3Aetree

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I've not had any phase problems while running AB.. I also managed to convet a religious XY taper over to AB... we both agree that XY to our ears often does not sound realistic... to us AB sounds like you are actually in a room with space around you.. XY sounds far too often like you are in a box... thats the best way I know how to desrcibe it :-)

have you experimented with any other stereo configs? I agree with you about x/y in general but I've never been pleased with the few AB tapes that I've heard. I'm going to grab one of your tapes though and give it a shot!

My interest is peaked too.  Have you found that you like A-B Cards better than DIN cards?  I definately agree with y'alls assessment of XY - I used it when I first began taping, cause it seems like the most conservative route (cuts out boominess, noise, etc) but the first tape I made DIN made me never want to go back to XY.

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Re: 0 degree, near coincidence cardioids
« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2005, 01:04:24 AM »
there is some guy i've bumped into several times, who runs 391s>wmod ua-5 parallell.  I first thought he had no idea what he was doing, but maybe he's on to something
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Re: 0 degree, near coincidence cardioids
« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2005, 10:15:14 AM »
i would think running a-b would neutralize some or most of the color the mics impart to the sound.  most of the microphone color is due to differing frequency response when the mic is off-axis.  certain frequencies become emphasized and others diminished, creating a distinctive sound to the mics.  when on-axis, the mics typically have a flatter frequency response resulting in a more neutral sound, i would think.  but i have never run a-b so take it fwiw.

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Re: 0 degree, near coincidence cardioids
« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2005, 10:57:46 AM »
matt (dgrayshn) runs his 414 cards AB a lot and swears by it...ask him...or hear for yourself: http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=dgrayshn%20AND%20mediatype%3Aetree%20AND%20collection%3Aetree

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I've not had any phase problems while running AB.. I also managed to convet a religious XY taper over to AB... we both agree that XY to our ears often does not sound realistic... to us AB sounds like you are actually in a room with space around you.. XY sounds far too often like you are in a box... thats the best way I know how to desrcibe it :-)

The guy he converted would be me.  I taped using XY for the longest time and I gave it a shot one night and haven't looked back since.  It is really nice in venues with poor acoustics because for some reason, XY was sounding really tight.  I use it almost all the time now.  The spotlight show on the archive (http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=20725&from=collectionSpotlight) was taped using AB and I really like the sounds.  These guys opened for Jazz Mandolin Project that night and both recordings turned out very nice, IMHO.

+T for converting me :)

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Re: 0 degree, near coincidence cardioids
« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2005, 03:36:49 PM »
again, have you compared a/b to din, nos, ortf?
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Re: 0 degree, near coincidence cardioids
« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2005, 07:13:33 PM »
again, have you compared a/b to din, nos, ortf?

ive heard a/b and have always HATED it, also XY, but YMMV

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Re: 0 degree, near coincidence cardioids
« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2005, 04:37:07 PM »
Nick Gregory got me using DIN with the gefells and I haven't looked back since.  We all look for different things in our recordings though, and I can see the attraction of running A-B, especially in a poor-sounding room.
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