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when i first listened to this i had to go with song 1 source A.  I thought it was a tad brighther than B.  When i listened to the second set of songs i could not hear a big difference
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Thanks, Nick.
Confirms what I have read & been told.  I definitely could not justify using the SBM1 (especially if unmodified).
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I just bought a modSBM and wondered where the big sound difference was compared to my M1.  I'll run it next month at a festival and do some critical listening before deciding whether to keep it. I'm also wondering whether the M-audio Flash Tracker's A/D will be decent, or if a coax-modded modSBM would be an ideal pairing with the M-audio recorder.
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That is wild.

Havent listened in headphones, but the first one you can tell ever so slightly, and i would have never known in the second....

Makes me wonder if i can get away with running mic in now?

Thanx for posting this, very interesting!!!!!
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"Makes me wonder if i can get away with running mic in now?"

Why would you wan't to do that?  I've always read & been told that you need to run line-in and run the 20 db ATT setting in order to get the most out of the m1's A/D converter.  I'm able to run my m1 dial at 8, and sometimes 10 using this method with my rig. If I ran the same rig via mic-in, I may be able to get rid of my transformers and run the dial at a lower setting, but the A/D converter is supposedly much better in the m1 if you can run the dial wide open (i.e. 10).
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Makes me wonder if i can get away with running mic in now?

Thanx for posting this, very interesting!!!!!

the mic pre on those units will brick wall with normal concert SPLs

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heh.

nevermind!  :-X

i dont know what i was thinking.
For a minute i thought this was a comparison of mic-in vs sbm1>m1

not with it today!
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i was not able to tell the difference between two. maybe it was because of the schoeps low end. i wonder if there is noticable difference with brighter mics like akg?
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I'm also wondering whether the M-audio Flash Tracker's A/D will be decent, or if a coax-modded modSBM would be an ideal pairing with the M-audio recorder.

Only if you're recording @ 16-bit, though, right?  On a related note, and at the risk of thread-hijacking, is there a stealthable A/D for 24?

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i could definitely tell the difference between the two and i agree with skalinder's comments.
but i also think the difference in sound, although subtle, is worth schlepping the extra gear.

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thanks again for posting the comp...

i could definitely tell the difference between the two and i agree with skalinder's comments.
but i also think the difference in sound, although subtle, is worth schlepping the extra gear.

agreed.

and i think that with some mics the differnce is more pronounced...

i have a tape i did where the batts of the sbm1 died, and i had to run to the d8, and you can totally tell a difference...

you need an a/d, and @ 16 bit, i dont think anything beats the modSBM1...
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thanks again for posting the comp...

i could definitely tell the difference between the two and i agree with skalinder's comments.
but i also think the difference in sound, although subtle, is worth schlepping the extra gear.

agreed.

and i think that with some mics the differnce is more pronounced...

i have a tape i did where the batts of the sbm1 died, and i had to run to the d8, and you can totally tell a difference...

you need an a/d, and @ 16 bit, i dont think anything beats the modSBM1...

even though the difference between the d8 and the m1 is remarkable, the modsbm-1 is worth the money and the effort, IMO.

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i thought that the difference between a mod sbm-1 and a pcm-m1 would be more pronounced. in my opinion it is not worth the $$$ for the mod sbm-1 if you've got a pcm-m1.
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i thought that the difference between a mod sbm-1 and a pcm-m1 would be more pronounced. in my opinion it is not worth the $$$ for the mod sbm-1 if you've got a pcm-m1.

It all tends on the mics ran it with Audix it helped a ton ..Am not so sure on the Dpa 4061's ,I do know you can run your gear much hotter with SBM-1 without brickwalling..The more ya get in the better it sounds with the 61's no doubt..Or was it the more ya get in the better it feels  ::)

 

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