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Solo acoustic performance: Mics or SBD?
« on: January 13, 2006, 02:35:56 AM »
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I'm hitting Tim Reynolds at The Intersection in Grand Rapids, MI next month. It is a 400 capacity bar. I saw and taped Pete Yorn there last summer. The show was plenty loud and the tape sounded good.

The big difference between these tour shows is that Tim is going to be solo acoustic. He also allows SBD patches. Since I'm cheap and only have one working JB3 I can only record one source: my AKG 391s > W-Mod UA-5 or a patch from the soundboard.

In everyone's opinion which would be the prefered way of taping? While I'd love to give my 391s more time to shine, I'd prefer the better tape. Any advice would be great. Thanks.
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Re: Solo acoustic performance: Mics or SBD?
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2006, 03:22:00 AM »
Do a matrix, best of both worlds.
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Re: Solo acoustic performance: Mics or SBD?
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2006, 07:05:00 AM »
Could you clip your AT831's to his beard?

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Re: Solo acoustic performance: Mics or SBD?
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2006, 10:40:30 AM »
If you can get in close and capture primarily the accoustic (not PA) sound, then that's the way I'd go, because you've probably got better mics and pres than the house system.
If you're talking sound board vs. taping the PA, I'd go with the board.
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Re: Solo acoustic performance: Mics or SBD?
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2006, 12:38:01 PM »
Tim uses a crapload of effects on his acoustic guitar.  And from what I remember, he keeps his monitors pretty low.  So his onstage sound really isn't representative of what the FOH sounds like.  I'd fly the 390's in the sweet spot if possible.  I'm not the biggest fan of boards recordings though so YMMV.

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Re: Solo acoustic performance: Mics or SBD?
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2006, 01:19:05 PM »
He also allows SBD patches. Since I'm cheap and only have one working JB3 I can only record one source: my AKG 391s > W-Mod UA-5 or a patch from the soundboard.

In everyone's opinion which would be the prefered way of taping? While I'd love to give my 391s more time to shine, I'd prefer the better tape. Any advice would be great. Thanks.

you can record a matrix using the Wmod UA-5, although i have never tried it personally. people have had good results using this method. i vote for experimentation: matrix of mic source and soundboard

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Re: Solo acoustic performance: Mics or SBD?
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2006, 01:24:39 PM »
He also allows SBD patches. Since I'm cheap and only have one working JB3 I can only record one source: my AKG 391s > W-Mod UA-5 or a patch from the soundboard.

In everyone's opinion which would be the prefered way of taping? While I'd love to give my 391s more time to shine, I'd prefer the better tape. Any advice would be great. Thanks.

you can record a matrix using the Wmod UA-5, although i have never tried it personally. people have had good results using this method. i vote for experimentation: matrix of mic source and soundboard

I don't know how I feel about experimenting. If there were another taper there I'd consider running a matrix. If it came out crappy there would still be a good tape to come of the show.
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Re: Solo acoustic performance: Mics or SBD?
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2006, 01:31:50 PM »
He also allows SBD patches. Since I'm cheap and only have one working JB3 I can only record one source: my AKG 391s > W-Mod UA-5 or a patch from the soundboard.

In everyone's opinion which would be the prefered way of taping? While I'd love to give my 391s more time to shine, I'd prefer the better tape. Any advice would be great. Thanks.

you can record a matrix using the Wmod UA-5, although i have never tried it personally. people have had good results using this method. i vote for experimentation: matrix of mic source and soundboard

I don't know how I feel about experimenting. If there were another taper there I'd consider running a matrix. If it came out crappy there would still be a good tape to come of the show.

agreed. if there is another taper you at least have his copy to fall back on if your experiment goes south. but like you said: it is about a month from now. that gives you more than enough time to do your homework. i have heard a lot of matrix sources via the ua-5 and all sound great. plus there is no post mixing involved. check these out:
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=13901.0
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=35160.0 >>>>a lot of links here
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Re: Solo acoustic performance: Mics or SBD?
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2006, 02:23:27 PM »
I've only had great experiences in the past few months when I've done a matrix. If you have quality headphones or earbuds it makes setting the levels alot easier. And if you read those other topics that were posted above I think there's no way you could make a crappy one.
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Re: Solo acoustic performance: Mics or SBD?
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2006, 02:24:40 PM »
I think it depends on the room and audience.  In my (limited) experience, solo acoustic shows in bars or small clubs often have lots of crowd chatter.  If you know the room, you may have an idea of how respectful the audience will be.  If it is likely that the crowd will be loud, then I'd go with the SBD.
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Re: Solo acoustic performance: Mics or SBD?
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2006, 11:22:35 PM »
I'd probably go soundboard. IF you run a matrix to tape, remember that you'll get a delay running from FOB and you cannot undo the mix.
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Re: Solo acoustic performance: Mics or SBD?
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2006, 04:14:32 PM »
If it's a noisy room and you have to choose, I'd opt for the board patch on a solo show. You'll still pick up distant crowd patter through the stage mics, so it's still sound live.
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Re: Solo acoustic performance: Mics or SBD?
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2006, 06:31:48 PM »
I did my first matrix this weekend and I flew my mics at 9' high to avoid the chatter and the SBD feed was high so this helped. I had my UA5(XLR) inputs turned at 2 clock and my input for SDB(rca) was about 1.5 and this formula came out perfect for me. I was able to check my levels thru my SVU-1 so I was able to control any overload. Good luck.
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Re: Solo acoustic performance: Mics or SBD?
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2006, 09:29:22 PM »
For a solo acoustic, I would first find out if he uses a direct input (DI) for his guitar or not. If you only see a vocal mic on stage, chances are he is using a DI and the SBD feed will sound much better. 

If you see a vocal mic and a lower mic for the guitar, I would ask about onstage first and see if you can place a mini-stand just in front of the vocal/guitar mics and either split the vertical distance between them or line them up just above the lower mic and aim up towards his mouth for the vocals. 

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Re: Solo acoustic performance: Mics or SBD?
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2006, 09:49:05 PM »
For a solo acoustic, I would first find out if he uses a direct input (DI) for his guitar or not. If you only see a vocal mic on stage, chances are he is using a DI and the SBD feed will sound much better. 

If you see a vocal mic and a lower mic for the guitar, I would ask about onstage first and see if you can place a mini-stand just in front of the vocal/guitar mics and either split the vertical distance between them or line them up just above the lower mic and aim up towards his mouth for the vocals. 
I worked with him once this summer.  If it's still the same, his setup is pretty simple.

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