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Re: Korg MR-1
« Reply #375 on: October 31, 2007, 06:30:58 PM »
Great find!  Very interesting approach.

I wonder if they compared any 'non-mastered' live material?  If they just used commercial SACD/DVDA, then that would seem to be a limitation of their tests for our situation.

Or maybe their SACD/DSD player secretly converts to PCM before the analog stage :P


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Re: Korg MR-1
« Reply #376 on: October 31, 2007, 10:51:33 PM »
spend dollars (act of faith ) on dsd and gain access to advanced listening from self due to desire for better audio.
mind does deliver, its real because i believe my ears, they are mine , sound is stunning.

stunningness is in the ears of the beholder.

dsd a meta physical gateway into the mind.

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Re: Korg MR-1
« Reply #377 on: November 01, 2007, 04:40:12 AM »
I know it's stepping into a highly contentious area, but I found the following of interest.  I still record at 24/96 and strive to find some improvement using DSD (both Korg machines), but I concluded I was probably fooling myself.  I am ordering the September AES journal, but if this is a fair summary then the jig is up.

...See http://www.theaudiocritic.com/blog/


This is entirely consistent with the following AES presentation from...

http://world.std.com/~griesngr/

particularly...

http://world.std.com/~griesngr/intermod.ppt

Conclusions -

1. Adding ultrasonics to a recording technique does NOT improve time resolution of typical signals – either for imaging or precision of tempo. The presumption that it does is based on a misunderstanding of both information theory and human physiology.

2. Karou and Shogo have shown that ultrasonic harmonics of a 2kHz signal are NOT audible in the absence of external (non-human) intermodulation distortion. (BTW: means they can't be heard in the real world and that filtering them from the recording is a good thing as they can only do harm!).

3. Their experiments put a limit on the possibility that a physiological non-linearity can make ultrasonic harmonics perceptible. They find that such a non-linearity does not exist at ultrasonic sound pressure levels below 80dB.

4. All commercial recordings tested by the author as of 6/1/03 contained either no ultrasonic information, or ultrasonic harmonics at levels more than 40dB below the fundamentals.

5. Our experiments suggest that the most important source of audible intermodulation for ultrasonics is the electronics, not in the transducers.
Some consumer grade equipment makes a tacit admission of the inaudibility of frequencies above 22kHz by simply not reproducing them. Yet the advertising for these products claims the benefits of “higher resolution.”

6. Even assuming ultrasonics are audible, loudspeaker directivity creates an unusually tiny sweet spot, both horizontally and vertically.


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Re: Korg MR-1
« Reply #378 on: November 01, 2007, 09:35:06 AM »
This is entirely consistent with the following AES presentation from...

http://world.std.com/~griesngr/

particularly...

http://world.std.com/~griesngr/intermod.ppt

...digifish
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David Griesinger's page is a great resource.  I was just browsing it yesterday and thinking about posting a general link at TS somewhere (possibly the Audio Reference thread if it's not already there.  Some content is rather technical, some is quite straightforward and appicable to our applications.

OT but this is great applied M/S info: Griesinger's Coincident Microphone Primer

Thanks for the discussion guys.
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Re: Korg MR-1
« Reply #379 on: November 01, 2007, 11:06:41 AM »
There's all kinds of 1 bit decoders out there. The only thing that's vaporware is the authoring software to get us on the disc. Maybe it will come along, maybe not.
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Re: Korg MR-1
« Reply #380 on: November 01, 2007, 09:31:12 PM »
There's all kinds of 1 bit decoders out there. The only thing that's vaporware is the authoring software to get us on the disc. Maybe it will come along, maybe not.

http://www.sonicstudio.com/products/dsd/sacdc.html

I'm thinking about buying this and offering a low priced DSD>SACD conversion service. I don't think it would take too long to pay for the approx. $5,000 investment.
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Re: Korg MR-1
« Reply #381 on: November 01, 2007, 09:37:47 PM »
I'm thinking about buying this and offering a low priced DSD>SACD conversion service.

If a bunch of killer shows were *only* seeded in DSD, that application might become a whole lot more "popular" soon after.

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Re: Korg MR-1
« Reply #382 on: November 01, 2007, 09:46:56 PM »
I'm thinking about buying this and offering a low priced DSD>SACD conversion service.

If a bunch of killer shows were *only* seeded in DSD, that application might become a whole lot more "popular" soon after.


with do not convert to pcm warnings?

edit: I was thinking more for those of us who master in and greatly prefer dsd but are looking for ease of playback. I would probably only do it with my favorite recordings if I didn't own the program.
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Re: Korg MR-1
« Reply #383 on: November 02, 2007, 07:20:33 AM »
There's all kinds of 1 bit decoders out there. The only thing that's vaporware is the authoring software to get us on the disc. Maybe it will come along, maybe not.

http://www.sonicstudio.com/products/dsd/sacdc.html

I'm thinking about buying this and offering a low priced DSD>SACD conversion service. I don't think it would take too long to pay for the approx. $5,000 investment.

does that include the cost of the tape drive ?
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Re: Korg MR-1
« Reply #384 on: November 02, 2007, 08:01:53 AM »
Some rivetting reading in the links recently posted here - very many thanks!!

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Re: Korg MR-1
« Reply #385 on: November 02, 2007, 08:16:40 AM »
we've reached our limit here.
time for part two
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Re: Korg MR-1 connection problem and fatal error problem...
« Reply #386 on: November 04, 2007, 09:24:03 AM »
Hi, I just obtained the same external batteries everyone has  for MR-1 and want to know proper way to hook up...  Seems best to take USB out if battery into a DC5V plug and into the Korg MR-1... Is this correct? Please let me hear from you great people...  The first time I hooked it up this way I got a fatal error and now I can't get rid of it.  Can't even turn the deck off.  Please help !!!  Peace,  Joe Ray

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Re: Korg MR-1
« Reply #387 on: November 12, 2007, 02:02:50 AM »
OK, now I'm curious and seriously looking for MR-1 deck loan to do an MR-1 technical review. 

One of you guys may have a spare from double ordering, and everyone seems to agree somebody needs to do the gain, noise and frequency graphs on this puppy so we all like to know what is going on with the analog inputs.

I'll pay FedEx shipping both ways.

Already reviewed MT2496 and R-09 at:
www.sonicstudios.com/mt2496rv.htm
www.sonicstudios.com/r-09revw.htm

With much thanks for nearly a month MR-1 deck loan from TS member gmm6797 the Technical MR-1 Review 'rough cut' edition is ready for first viewing.  Not everything and all links on the page are correct as yet, but hope to get most of this done next day or two.

MR-1 TECH REVIEW AT: www.sonicstudios.com/mr-1revw.htm

What you should find most interesting is full disclosure of MR-1 input gain settings in chart form, how MR-1 gain set works, MIC/LINE input signal limits, and noise plots with/without external preamplifiers.

Corrections and suggestions welcome.
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Re: Korg MR-1
« Reply #388 on: November 12, 2007, 02:12:48 AM »
That looks pretty cool to me... interesting to see a lot of right channel issues... I wonder how this can be presented to Korg for corrections.

I have no idea how to read the graphics, so I will leave those comments to people who can speak logically about them!

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Re: Korg MR-1
« Reply #389 on: November 16, 2007, 09:30:52 AM »
Revised MR-1 review version now 4 posted and likely review is nearly finished.   :alert:

Found version 3 too technically obscure to be mostly unreadable (very sorry about that).   :crazy:

 :hmmm: So maybe time to give this a read to see if understandable, and now no need to be kind about feedback/suggestions.  :flack:

 :wink2: www.sonicstudios.com/mr-1revw.htm  :yahoo:
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