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Re: Apogee in front of 7xx series.
« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2007, 05:50:19 PM »
however, I did recently ran a comparison between the A/D in the V3 against the A/D in the 722. (see this thread: http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,81297.0.html).  while Bean prefers the 722 A/D over the V3 A/D (and he definitely talks it up a lot :) ), I'd say in general, the V3 A/D and the 722 A/D are pretty much on par with each other, with some people preferring the 722 and others the V3.

Fwiw, it looks like 6 people chose the v3 and 14 chose the 722.  So not really even.

And in another very interesting comp, the r09 a/d was preferred over the v3 8:3. The r09!

I'm still surprised by that one... From the comments, most seemed to get more 'warm fuzzies' from the r09 source despite quite a few folks describing the v3 source as more detailed.  For soundstage and clarity, I would typically choose to run the v3 a/d over the r09... but that subjective 'warm fuzzies' is another question entirely... Had it not been a mono PA, had their been more soundstage to capture, I think the v3 might have won the poll.

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and after running both v3(straight) and v3>xlr>722 and v2>722, i knew whcih one was the 722 adc source and which one was the v3 source. I prefer and also picked out the 722 as the winner. def had those 'warm fuzzies' freelunch speaks of.
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Re: Apogee in front of 7xx series.
« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2007, 07:00:29 PM »
however, I did recently ran a comparison between the A/D in the V3 against the A/D in the 722. (see this thread: http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,81297.0.html).  while Bean prefers the 722 A/D over the V3 A/D (and he definitely talks it up a lot :) ), I'd say in general, the V3 A/D and the 722 A/D are pretty much on par with each other, with some people preferring the 722 and others the V3.

Fwiw, it looks like 6 people chose the v3 and 14 chose the 722.  So not really even.

yes, more people did prefer the 722 A/D over the V3 A/D, I did not mean to imply otherwise.  When I said that I thought the comp showed that the two A/D's were "on par with each other", I meant that although people could tell the difference, many people (myself included) thought that they were more similar sounding than they had initially expected.  nashphil had some interesting comments in that thread, which I agree with.  good mics and a nice pre are significantly more important than the A/D.  I think the V3 A/D vs R09 A/D comp also shows that.  nice mics with a nice pre-amp, and the result will be a nice recording, regardless of the A/D used.

now, back on topic for this thread.  based on my comments above, I would expect a MiniMe A/D vs. 722 A/D to show that the two are very similar.  they are both great converters and I don't think the sound differences between the two would be that large.  but I'd love to hear a comp to find out :)

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Re: Apogee in front of 7xx series.
« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2007, 07:29:36 PM »
good mics and a nice pre are significantly more important than the A/D.  I think the V3 A/D vs R09 A/D comp also shows that. 
nailed it. QFT.

IMO the recording chain is also a cascading chain of importance... Mics (most important) > pre (second importance) > A/D (third) > bit bucket (last)

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Re: Apogee in front of 7xx series.
« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2007, 07:38:45 PM »
good mics and a nice pre are significantly more important than the A/D.  I think the V3 A/D vs R09 A/D comp also shows that. 
nailed it. QFT.

IMO the recording chain is also a cascading chain of importance... Mics (most important) > pre (second importance) > A/D (third) > bit bucket (last)

agreed 100%. still, an adc can change the flavor of the chain...

if you have good mics>good preamp>decent adc>bitbucket youre solid or like me, good mics>good pre>nice adc/recorder combo. i do like going mics>722 whenever i want to get in and out of a place and i know im gonna be close/fob. so small and portable and easy to use!
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Re: Apogee in front of 7xx series.
« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2007, 07:57:12 PM »
good mics and a nice pre are significantly more important than the A/D.  I think the V3 A/D vs R09 A/D comp also shows that. 
nailed it. QFT.

IMO the recording chain is also a cascading chain of importance... Mics (most important) > pre (second importance) > A/D (third) > bit bucket (last)
huh... I was thinking that could even be expanded... Room (most important) > location (second importance) > mics (third) > pre (fourth) > A/D (fifth) > bit bucket (last)

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Re: Apogee in front of 7xx series.
« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2007, 07:58:46 PM »
good mics and a nice pre are significantly more important than the A/D.  I think the V3 A/D vs R09 A/D comp also shows that. 
nailed it. QFT.

IMO the recording chain is also a cascading chain of importance... Mics (most important) > pre (second importance) > A/D (third) > bit bucket (last)
huh... I was thinking that could even be expanded... Room (most important) > location (second importance) > mics (third) > pre (fourth) > A/D (fifth) > bit bucket (last)

you sir are right again :)
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