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think about the samples, and what you like best.  then I'll reveal the sources...just for those who want to geek out and hear some gear w/o buying it.  

I like comp1 over 2
3 (23.1%)
I like comp 2 over 1
2 (15.4%)
UJB (comp03) sounds better than terrapin (comp04)
1 (7.7%)
the terrapin sounds better than UJB (comp4 over 3)
2 (15.4%)
both 03/04 sound fantastic
0 (0%)
dont like any of it
2 (15.4%)
mono PAs suck!
3 (23.1%)

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MR1000 with and w/o preamp comps
« on: June 03, 2007, 06:32:05 PM »
here is a nice discs worth of music to download and listen to.  There are 4 filres in total, and its really just a poll of preference between 1&2, 3&4 and the overall package. Hopefully some of this will actually provide good info for the section at large.  Those age old questions of "outboard preamp???"

there is a text file in the directory that has some spoilers, somewhat.
this is not that much of a handy poll, other than Carls 3 options w/the MixPre - EAApsp2 - MR1000s onboard preamp.  my shit is thrown in there as a goof.  Its one of the 1/2 sources.  :-)  I haven't even listened yet to determine what I like, but I'll be sure to add my votes (you can vote twice).

Enjoy!
www.hydra-audio.com/files/

The music is brought to you by the Dark Star Orchestra, playing the setlist (and setting a pretty freakin' heavy mood as well) of 10-16-89 Jersey.  The content is familiar to most, which makes it easier to follow allowing one to focus on other aspects of listening....er, thats my story any way.  I'm sticking to it.

Overall experience of the show..I'll post in the review section.
files are more than 1/2 uploaded now, so i'm posting.   Remember, 4 files in total, so check back if you see less.  Comments are encouraged. 

« Last Edit: June 03, 2007, 08:49:01 PM by Nick's Picks »

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Re: All sorts of crap tested...
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2007, 06:42:46 PM »
I am voting that mono pa's suck  ;D
I know you like, tape for people's approval and stuff, and wave your tapes around like they're your dick...  but even you can't actually think section tapes from philips sound good.  



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Re: All sorts of crap tested...
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2007, 07:08:40 PM »
also...where I said "terrapin", I meant to say "playin' reprise".  it was a shorter file and I thought it would work better for download times.
sorry for that typo.

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Re: All sorts of crap tested...
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2007, 08:46:15 PM »
I wonder what Woody would pick  8)
I know you like, tape for people's approval and stuff, and wave your tapes around like they're your dick...  but even you can't actually think section tapes from philips sound good.  



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Re: MR1000 with and w/o preamp comps
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2007, 06:37:20 PM »
I was thinking about this & figured we needed to clarify b/c I was there & taped it but I am not sure I understand how Nick labeled this comp. So the source info is this, but I have no idea what order Nick put them in, all the recordings were DSD 5.6:

AKG C34 (110 XY card) > SD Mix Pre > MR-1000 (TRS line in, low gain)
AKG C34 (110 XY card) > EAA PSP-2 > MR-1000 (TRS line in, low gain)
AKG C34 (110 XY card ) > MR-1000 (Mic in, low gain)
Nicks 460's XY > Apogee Mini-MP > Korg MR-1

The tapes are a little boomy but believe it or not they sound better than the actual room did  :o
I know you like, tape for people's approval and stuff, and wave your tapes around like they're your dick...  but even you can't actually think section tapes from philips sound good.  



Mics: Telefunken Elam 260, 61, 62, MBHO KA200, KA500 > Niant PFA's, AKG C34L-MS
Preamps: Grace Lunatec V2, Shure FP24
Decks: Tascam DR-2d, Zoom F8

Old rig: Recording: AKG C34 & AKG CK1X or CK2X > MK46 > 460 > Aeta Mix2000 > Sound Devices 702

Playback: Thorens TD125, Denon DVD-2900> Bel Canto DAC-1 > Audible Illusions 3B > Rogue Atlas >ZU Wax Shotgun> Hyperion 938
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Re: MR1000 with and w/o preamp comps
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2007, 07:49:52 AM »
its not much of a comp.

samples 1 and 2 are c34>mixpre>mr1k AND jwm460>MMP>MR1
so....which is which?

and the samples of 3/4 are c34>psp2>mr1k and c34>MR1k
just a taste of whats what with and w/o a preamp in front of the big Korg.

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Re: MR1000 with and w/o preamp comps
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2007, 09:44:15 AM »
Honestly after listening to everything I have come up with some conclusions. First of all the DSD sound better than the 16 bits for sure. There is more room spatial info & bass in the DSD master when played through the Korg deck into my system. The real problem though is it the player or the actual recording? No way to tell until we have some DSD authoring software but I will say that my playback deck (Denon 2900) is not at all bass shy in normal playback of anything so it does lead me to believe it is just the difference in DSD having more bits. Or to complicate matters even more maybe it is the Korg downsample through AudioGate, regardless it is what it is. I will continue to record in DSD mode and capture as much info as possible, let the authoring software catch up with me when it is ready, I will have 1 bit masters waiting for it when it does  ;D

So now for the actual comp itself. I will say that any of these sources sound great to me, I would be happy with any of them personally, it isn't until you start to hear them back to back that you can come up with a preference. Source 1 is Nick's AKG's, source 2 is my C34. The only way I could tell is that my recording peaks my McIntosh amp at certain point in the song & mine is SLIGHTLY smoother, ever so slightly. So what am I saying? Well the C34 sounds alot like 460's, no shock there considering the caps but still pleasant to realize since at times I miss my 480's. So now we have the choice between the Apogee Mini-MP & the Sound Devices Mix Pre. Well pound for pound these boxes both sound pretty close & pack tons of features into their lay outs, the only thing the Mix Pre is lacking is MS capabilities. It is also lacking the ridiculous size of the Apogee boxes, I have run Apogee boxes for years & have always hated the layout but loved the sound. In this comp & I am really pleased to see that my little SD box is as good as the Apogee at a 1/4 of the size. The SD is transformer based unlike the 722 pre-amps & slightly redesigned over the MP according to Sound Devices tech papers. So yes, I am pleased with the purchase. I will continue to test it against the Mini-MP & trust me if the Apogee is the better box I will go back to one in a heartbeat, this ain't a bueaty contest, I want what sounds best. Eventually I may also try a Portico but for now I am pleased with what I got. So I picked source 2, my source but it was damn close. I could go either way & not look back.

Next up, samples 3 & 4. Well sample 3 was the world famous PSP-2 that I have been lusting over but of course can't find. Mikey Jones was kind enough to send me his & I am forever grateful to him. I needed to scratch this itch for sure, I was driving myself nuts trying to find one. So yep, sounds damn good, there is a reason these puppies are so coveted. Gotta love the tranformer sound, small package & rare as hens teeth appeal. Yep, I loved this pre-amp it is really good but I still picked sample 2 over it, they are both very very close when dithered down to 16 bit but when played back at the original DSD authored files the PSP-2 was much worse in the bass response over the SD, just too much of a good thing. Everything else rocked though so I would certainly be pleased if I had one but at least for me now the itch is scratched, I am still content with what I have. Now, this being said if one comes up for sale in the YS I would snatch it up in a heartbeat, I mean I am happy but who doesn't love a little something on the side too  >:D

OK, so finally the mighty Korg was on it's own in sample 4. Well as we listened to everything the next morning Nick & I were very pleased with what we heard. He of course said something to the effect of "if I was you I would sell everything else & just run the Korg, screw it" but as we all know Nick is a few sandwiches short of a full picnic sometimes  ;D While he may have been hung over from the doozey of a night we had he wasn't too far off. Honestly the Korg sounds really really good on it's own. I could/would run it as a one box solution & be pleased until I heard the SD, Apogee or PSP-2 with it. The internal pre-amps in the Korg sound mighty fine, possibly better than other bit buckets out there, who knows but they are still a little thin to me.

So I picked this sample second to sample #2.  So for me on this night I picked sample 2 first, then sample 4 & finally sample 3. Wow, for me a true shocker. Could all of this be b/c I own the stuff & obviously have an investment in it? I don't think so, I have bought & sold more gear than I can shake a stick at in the past b/c I felt it didn't sound good. I guess my worst mistake was selling my MK4's for 4022's, what the hell was I thinking of! Doh, worst mistake ever. So anyway, I am not afraid to get rid of something no matter how much it costs if I don't feel it performs. In the end, I am pretty happy with what I have, let's get some Panic up here & see how I really feel running upfront Blumlein  8)
I know you like, tape for people's approval and stuff, and wave your tapes around like they're your dick...  but even you can't actually think section tapes from philips sound good.  



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Re: MR1000 with and w/o preamp comps
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2007, 09:57:42 PM »
Sir, you have just sold me on an SD Mix Pre.

Now if only I could afford one :-\
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Re: MR1000 with and w/o preamp comps
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2007, 08:42:03 AM »
cool...
both boxes have nice flavor (the SD and the MMP).  I really like AKG>Apogee sound..., always have.  Thats just good synergy.

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Re: MR1000 with and w/o preamp comps
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2007, 09:04:25 AM »
Hey man your just trying to use this flawed comp to sell more Korg units! Nice try!  :P
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Re: MR1000 with and w/o preamp comps
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2007, 09:08:31 AM »
that would be great....
if I sold them.

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Re: MR1000 with and w/o preamp comps
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2007, 09:09:09 AM »
Hey man your just trying to use this flawed comp to sell more Korg units! Nice try!  :P

Sweet idea Chris but I don't sell anything unlike a few other folks on this board  ;)
I know you like, tape for people's approval and stuff, and wave your tapes around like they're your dick...  but even you can't actually think section tapes from philips sound good.  



Mics: Telefunken Elam 260, 61, 62, MBHO KA200, KA500 > Niant PFA's, AKG C34L-MS
Preamps: Grace Lunatec V2, Shure FP24
Decks: Tascam DR-2d, Zoom F8

Old rig: Recording: AKG C34 & AKG CK1X or CK2X > MK46 > 460 > Aeta Mix2000 > Sound Devices 702

Playback: Thorens TD125, Denon DVD-2900> Bel Canto DAC-1 > Audible Illusions 3B > Rogue Atlas >ZU Wax Shotgun> Hyperion 938
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Re: MR1000 with and w/o preamp comps
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2007, 09:58:29 AM »
I will continue to record in DSD mode and capture as much info as possible, let the authoring software catch up with me when it is ready, I will have 1 bit masters waiting for it when it does  ;D

What are you archiving your DSD master on?

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Re: MR1000 with and w/o preamp comps
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2007, 09:58:36 AM »
that would be great....
if I sold them.


Yeah Yeah... You are getting your Korg resellers licence as we speak  ;)
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Re: MR1000 with and w/o preamp comps
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2007, 09:59:24 AM »
Hey man your just trying to use this flawed comp to sell more Korg units! Nice try!  :P

Sweet idea Chris but I don't sell anything unlike a few other folks on this board  ;)

Who me?  ;)
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