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Re: favorite pre to run behind schoeps
« Reply #30 on: September 04, 2007, 08:45:48 PM »
a/d 1000 sounds the best in most situations.
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Re: favorite pre to run behind schoeps
« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2007, 12:42:14 PM »
would schoeps and anything 'warm" just creat mud?  Do Schoeps need something fast and transparent behind em?

Warm is neither bassy or muddy.
Rather processes "euphonic even-order harmonic development", which is more closely associated with tonal richness and depth.
I see the opposite as being dry and clean, but not dry and clean as in lack of echolia.       ;D

Schoeps' loves warm as warm will reinforce mids and give it more presence and body, IMHO.
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Re: favorite pre to run behind schoeps
« Reply #32 on: September 09, 2007, 12:01:13 AM »
I have a V2 and a PSP-2 - figured I would be covered sound-wise in varying rooms. These days I seem to run the PSP-2 exclusively; it sounds tailor-made for my mk4's - rich and warm, lots of texture, solid soundstage with plenty of depth....

I love the V2 as well - always super-clean but can almost be a bit sterile with the mk4's. The PSP-2 adds a bit of 'character', if you will. The V2 needs (IMHO) to be run at a lower gain setting (20db or so). It gets a bit brittle and compressed sounding at higher settings. Interestingly enough, the manual that came with my V2 states that the lowest amount of gain necessary should be used. The .pdf document on Grace's website makes no mention of this......


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Re: favorite pre to run behind schoeps
« Reply #33 on: September 12, 2007, 12:10:53 AM »
I loved the tapes I pulled with my VMS02iB/mk21h/mk8

I thought 41s sounded best with the AD1000

I thought 4s sounded best with the sonosax

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Re: favorite pre to run behind schoeps
« Reply #34 on: September 12, 2007, 07:47:10 AM »
thanks for all the input guys. I'm trying to decide what my next move should be.

I can't decide if I should get a new pre, or get oade to do the T mod done on my r4. Or I could scrap that idea all together and get some omni caps for the schoeps, or a nice set of multi pattern LDs.

decisions. decisions.

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Re: favorite pre to run behind schoeps
« Reply #35 on: November 22, 2007, 03:43:04 PM »
Anyone ever try SXM2>V3? Been kind of curious how this would sound. On the fence between the V3 and the minime. Can you run just the a/d on the v3?

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Re: favorite pre to run behind schoeps
« Reply #36 on: November 24, 2007, 02:12:15 PM »
i'm suprised it hasn't been mentioned more, but i love the way the mk4v's sound with the VMS021B box....even moreso than with a grace.
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Re: favorite pre to run behind schoeps
« Reply #37 on: November 24, 2007, 03:23:38 PM »
Anyone ever try SXM2>V3? Been kind of curious how this would sound. On the fence between the V3 and the minime. Can you run just the a/d on the v3?

I may be wrong but I believe Brian Skalinder tried this. It's not possible to get truly zero gain on the V3, so you'll be running through 2 gain stages. Also I remember the results being less than spectacular.
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Re: favorite pre to run behind schoeps
« Reply #38 on: November 24, 2007, 03:38:17 PM »
Exactly, I tried to just get the A/D of the V3 with my 148 but you always had to run some sort of gain on the V3 & I felt it may have taken a little away from the 148.
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Re: favorite pre to run behind schoeps
« Reply #39 on: November 24, 2007, 03:58:35 PM »
Anyone ever try SXM2>V3? Been kind of curious how this would sound. On the fence between the V3 and the minime. Can you run just the a/d on the v3?

I may be wrong but I believe Brian Skalinder tried this. It's not possible to get truly zero gain on the V3, so you'll be running through 2 gain stages. Also I remember the results being less than spectacular.

I sort of tried this, and the results were less than spectacular.  But the reason isn't really applicable to SX-M2 > V3 in general.  I ran for an amplified acoustic, but very very quiet, bluegrass show:  MK4 > KCY > SX-M2/LS2 (Lemosax) at 0 dB gain > V3 (+ 63 dB) > bit-bucket.  The results were definitely less than stellar due to hiss I attributed to Lemosax self-noise.  I ascribed the results to the Lemosax's self-noise (not noticeable in high-volume situations), since I've run the V3 with that much gain using CMC6 bodies instead of the Lemosax, and noticed no such self noise.

At any rate, I think SX-M2 > V3 could sound good.  All in one's own ears / brain / playback / etc.  Like most preamp / ADC combos (including standalone recorders that include those features), there's no real way to run "just the A/D".  As Nick suggests, the signal will run through two gain stages.  But nearly every preamp / ADC / recorder + an external preamp does the exact same thing.  It's a non-issue, IMO.  Just set the -20 dB V3 jumpers.  Or, depending on what one's recording, for example if quieter material, even that may not be necessary.

Exactly, I tried to just get the A/D of the V3 with my 148 but you always had to run some sort of gain on the V3 & I felt it may have taken a little away from the 148.

I think that has more to do with the M148's fixed gain, thereby requiring more gain on the V3, than the fact that the signal's going through 2 gain stages.  With the SX-M2, one could leave the V3 at absolute minimum gain, never needing any gain out of the V3.
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Re: favorite pre to run behind schoeps
« Reply #40 on: November 25, 2007, 07:03:21 PM »
Ever since I got the vst62 (cmc6 in a single body for kcy use), I prefer the Oade T+modUA-5 over the vms02ib and the Lemosax.   

I have done the SXM2/LS2 into a T+modUA-5, but to be honest, I think the straight T+ is better.  Less grainy in the HF, IMHO. 


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Re: favorite pre to run behind schoeps
« Reply #41 on: November 25, 2007, 07:06:39 PM »
I have run the Sax > V3 and made a few killer tapes, too bad the guitarist sucked :P ...


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Re: favorite pre to run behind schoeps
« Reply #42 on: November 26, 2007, 02:13:39 PM »
a/d 1000 sounds the best in most situations.

Personally, I think the AD1000 preamp is god awful.  I'd never consider running that thing as a pre ever again..but just my humble opinion

Shawn, I think you know my answer but for the record I ran a V3, PSP2, 148, and 248 with my schoeps, and the 248 was the clear winner.  I liked all four preamps fine, but the 248 just had a quality that seemed to get it right.
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Re: favorite pre to run behind schoeps
« Reply #43 on: March 05, 2017, 02:27:22 PM »
My favorite EXTERNAL preamps for the Schoeps are in this order for EVERYTHING but Phish!

#1. EAA PSP-2
#2. Schoeps VMS
#3. Sonosax/LB's & TB's with Output Transformers

However, for recording Phish ONLY, Schoeps->Sonosax is ALWAYS where it's at for me for whatever reason! That combo just emphasizes Phish PERFECTLY IMO! And the above preamps are strictly external FWIW!

That said, the Tascam DR-70D has GREAT stock preamps IMO, and I can BARELY tell a difference between the Schoeps VMS02IB and the DR-70D Preamps! As always, YMMV ;) But that just goes with what DSatz stated in this thread awhile back! The Schoeps have a low ohm resistance being transformerless and sound "alike" with most preamps it's run with! That seems to be the exact case with my VMS02IB & DR-70D preamps! They both sound very similar to me! The VMS02IB is definitely a QUIETER preamp, but you'd never notice that unless recording acoustic or unamplified music! In fact, I loved the caps>KCY>+60v PFA>DR-70D preamps sound so much, that I bought [2] +60v PFA setups so that I can run 4 Channels of +60v PFA's directly into my 70D Preamps ;)

That also means that I can leave my heavy-ass VMS02IB at home most nights and just have to worry about powering the 70D with a single USB battery, instead of dealing with lugging the heavy brick VMS02IB and batteries for it to run 4 channels of DAUD mics! I do love the VMS02IB sound overall, and the KCY Input is sweet, but with the new +60v PFA's and having XLR's with DarkTrain Rt Angle Stubby XLR Breakout Cables for ANY Preamp/Recorder, I sometimes wonder why I even have the VMS02IB when the DR-70D preamps are more than adequate for my recording needs, and the VMS02IB is so damn heavy?!?! The +60v PFA's and their regular, 3-pin XLR outputs basically turn my KCY>60v PFA setup into an even more compact Schoeps CCM system, but with interchangeable capsules and a single cable vs. two cables of the CCM Series ;) I JUST got the 2nd +60v PFA a couple of months ago, so I haven't got to run 4 channels of 60v PFA's "live" yet! I don't see myself selling my VMS02IB anytime soon, but if I start pulling kick-ass recordings with just the 60v PFA's, like I did in the past with my VMS02IB and +48v PFA's, the VMS02IB might be a goner and I can invest that $$ into a nicer 4-6 Channel deck like a Tascam 701D or DR-680mkii ;) ;D
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Re: favorite pre to run behind schoeps
« Reply #44 on: April 05, 2017, 08:10:15 AM »
Elsewhere, Dsatz has stated that the Schoeps bodies present such a constant impedance load that, unlike with other microphones, with Schoeps it is harder to hear the differences between preamps.
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