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Re: Sony's new $600 recorder PCM-D50
« Reply #75 on: October 23, 2007, 12:37:33 PM »
Does anyone know if the D50 has mini Line -In?  Or just optical Line-In?  Or is the Line-In one in the same?  Thanks.

Looking at the manual that I downloaded, the line in looks just like the mini-line inputs that the Hi-MD/MD units have.  It's the all in one type, same for the optical on the line out.
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Re: Sony's new $600 recorder PCM-D50
« Reply #76 on: October 23, 2007, 01:10:02 PM »
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Re: Sony's new $600 recorder PCM-D50
« Reply #77 on: October 23, 2007, 01:46:40 PM »
Does anyone know if the D50 has mini Line -In?  Or just optical Line-In?  Or is the Line-In one in the same?  Thanks.

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Re: Sony's new $600 recorder PCM-D50
« Reply #78 on: October 23, 2007, 01:58:51 PM »
Does anyone know if the D50 has mini Line -In?  Or just optical Line-In?  Or is the Line-In one in the same?  Thanks.

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Nope.  R09 is fine.  It was my cable that was flaky.  This D50 intrigues me because of the ability to run a Denecke AD20 in front of it.  I heart my Aerco, but I also miss the AD20.  Made some really good recordings with that puppy.  Plus, I bet its mini Line-IN is more rugged than the R09's. 

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Re: Sony's new $600 recorder PCM-D50
« Reply #79 on: October 23, 2007, 02:23:28 PM »
Does anyone know if the D50 has mini Line -In?  Or just optical Line-In?  Or is the Line-In one in the same?  Thanks.

looking to replace the edirol ?
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did the line in get flaky on you at syracuse?


Nope.  R09 is fine.  It was my cable that was flaky.  This D50 intrigues me because of the ability to run a Denecke AD20 in front of it.  I heart my Aerco, but I also miss the AD20.  Made some really good recordings with that puppy.  Plus, I bet its mini Line-IN is more rugged than the R09's. 

AD20 over the AERCO? Come on now!

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Re: Sony's new $600 recorder PCM-D50
« Reply #80 on: October 23, 2007, 03:11:07 PM »
Does anyone know if the D50 has mini Line -In?  Or just optical Line-In?  Or is the Line-In one in the same?  Thanks.

looking to replace the edirol ?
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did the line in get flaky on you at syracuse?


Nope.  R09 is fine.  It was my cable that was flaky.  This D50 intrigues me because of the ability to run a Denecke AD20 in front of it.  I heart my Aerco, but I also miss the AD20.  Made some really good recordings with that puppy.  Plus, I bet its mini Line-IN is more rugged than the R09's. 

AD20 over the AERCO? Come on now!

Two comments, learned from experience:

1. I find the minidisc pres to be better for low noise and/or low output mics, than the R09.  So I'm hoping that the Sony unit has the same or hopefully better pres, and all the benefits of flash.  I could put a pre in front of the R09, but IMO, "less is more" and I fear adding a pre will add distortion, even a little bit.

2. I've tried the Denecke AD20, and while it has low noise, the audio quality on this thing is poor IMO.  I think the MD pres easily beat it.  I'm tempted to believe that, because this thing was designed for movie work, low noise is important, but music fidelity is not so important.  I've also traced the circuit inside, and I'm not impressed.

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Re: Sony's new $600 recorder PCM-D50
« Reply #81 on: October 23, 2007, 03:14:31 PM »
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Two comments, learned from experience:

1. I find the minidisc pres to be better for low noise and/or low output mics, than the R09.  So I'm hoping that the Sony unit has the same or hopefully better pres, and all the benefits of flash.  I could put a pre in front of the R09, but IMO, "less is more" and I fear adding a pre will add distortion, even a little bit.

2. I've tried the Denecke AD20, and while it has low noise, the audio quality on this thing is poor IMO.  I think the MD pres easily beat it.  I'm tempted to believe that, because this thing was designed for movie work, low noise is important, but music fidelity is not so important.  I've also traced the circuit inside, and I'm not impressed.

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Are you talking about the circuit inside the R09 or the D50?
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Re: Sony's new $600 recorder PCM-D50
« Reply #82 on: October 23, 2007, 03:15:39 PM »
Does anyone know if the D50 has mini Line -In?  Or just optical Line-In?  Or is the Line-In one in the same?  Thanks.

looking to replace the edirol ?
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did the line in get flaky on you at syracuse?


Nope.  R09 is fine.  It was my cable that was flaky.  This D50 intrigues me because of the ability to run a Denecke AD20 in front of it.  I heart my Aerco, but I also miss the AD20.  Made some really good recordings with that puppy.  Plus, I bet its mini Line-IN is more rugged than the R09's. 

AD20 over the AERCO? Come on now!

I didn't say that. 

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Re: Sony's new $600 recorder PCM-D50
« Reply #83 on: October 23, 2007, 03:17:31 PM »

2. I've tried the Denecke AD20, and while it has low noise, the audio quality on this thing is poor IMO.  I think the MD pres easily beat it.  I'm tempted to believe that, because this thing was designed for movie work, low noise is important, but music fidelity is not so important.  I've also traced the circuit inside, and I'm not impressed.

  Richard


So not true.  AD20 is an amazing little sounding box.  My Rolling Stones - Houston proves your opinion 100% wrong.

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Re: Sony's new $600 recorder PCM-D50
« Reply #84 on: October 23, 2007, 03:19:51 PM »
Test, test, test... Is this the PCM-D50 thread or the Aerco vs. AD20 thread?    ???
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Re: Sony's new $600 recorder PCM-D50
« Reply #85 on: October 23, 2007, 03:20:20 PM »

2. I've tried the Denecke AD20, and while it has low noise, the audio quality on this thing is poor IMO.  I think the MD pres easily beat it.  I'm tempted to believe that, because this thing was designed for movie work, low noise is important, but music fidelity is not so important.  I've also traced the circuit inside, and I'm not impressed.

  Richard


So not true.  AD20 is an amazing little sounding box.  My Rolling Stones - Houston proves your opinion 100% wrong.

OK, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one, lol.  All I know is I bought an AD20, listened, was disappointed, and sold the thing within a day or two (at a loss too).  My opinion is that *any* gear can pull a good tape (mics and mic placement make much more difference), but I preferred UA5 (stock), R09, and MD to anything I could get with the AD20.

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Re: Sony's new $600 recorder PCM-D50
« Reply #86 on: October 23, 2007, 03:26:08 PM »
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Two comments, learned from experience:

1. I find the minidisc pres to be better for low noise and/or low output mics, than the R09.  So I'm hoping that the Sony unit has the same or hopefully better pres, and all the benefits of flash.  I could put a pre in front of the R09, but IMO, "less is more" and I fear adding a pre will add distortion, even a little bit.

2. I've tried the Denecke AD20, and while it has low noise, the audio quality on this thing is poor IMO.  I think the MD pres easily beat it.  I'm tempted to believe that, because this thing was designed for movie work, low noise is important, but music fidelity is not so important.  I've also traced the circuit inside, and I'm not impressed.

  Richard


Are you talking about the circuit inside the R09 or the D50?

I'm talking about the circuit in the AD20.

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Re: Sony's new $600 recorder PCM-D50
« Reply #87 on: October 23, 2007, 04:25:11 PM »
ad20, good little box that i've made more quality recording with than I can count.
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Re: Sony's new $600 recorder PCM-D50
« Reply #88 on: October 23, 2007, 04:57:25 PM »

2. I've tried the Denecke AD20, and while it has low noise, the audio quality on this thing is poor IMO.  I think the MD pres easily beat it.  I'm tempted to believe that, because this thing was designed for movie work, low noise is important, but music fidelity is not so important.  I've also traced the circuit inside, and I'm not impressed.

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So not true.  AD20 is an amazing little sounding box.  My Rolling Stones - Houston proves your opinion 100% wrong.

OK, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one, lol.  All I know is I bought an AD20, listened, was disappointed, and sold the thing within a day or two (at a loss too).  My opinion is that *any* gear can pull a good tape (mics and mic placement make much more difference), but I preferred UA5 (stock), R09, and MD to anything I could get with the AD20.

  Richard


I find this absolutely impossible to believe.  This is based on almost two years of my own experience with the AD-20 with a variety of mics (CSB, AKG 391 and Gefell M210) and recorders, including a MiniDisc.  If you only had it for a day, you did not use it enough to adequately hear its capabilities.  I don't mean to bash personal taste in recordings, but you did not give the AD-20 a fair chance.
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Re: Sony's new $600 recorder PCM-D50
« Reply #89 on: October 23, 2007, 05:42:36 PM »

2. I've tried the Denecke AD20, and while it has low noise, the audio quality on this thing is poor IMO.  I think the MD pres easily beat it.  I'm tempted to believe that, because this thing was designed for movie work, low noise is important, but music fidelity is not so important.  I've also traced the circuit inside, and I'm not impressed.

  Richard


So not true.  AD20 is an amazing little sounding box.  My Rolling Stones - Houston proves your opinion 100% wrong.

OK, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one, lol.  All I know is I bought an AD20, listened, was disappointed, and sold the thing within a day or two (at a loss too).  My opinion is that *any* gear can pull a good tape (mics and mic placement make much more difference), but I preferred UA5 (stock), R09, and MD to anything I could get with the AD20.

  Richard


I find this absolutely impossible to believe.  This is based on almost two years of my own experience with the AD-20 with a variety of mics (CSB, AKG 391 and Gefell M210) and recorders, including a MiniDisc.  If you only had it for a day, you did not use it enough to adequately hear its capabilities.  I don't mean to bash personal taste in recordings, but you did not give the AD-20 a fair chance.

I wouldn't call anything "impossible".  Well, anything aside from claiming an improvement by putting gold cables on your speakers, lol.

The beautiful thing about taping is we can often get great sounding recordings with less than perfect gear.  Now that we've got lots more retail gear (Edirol, etc), the options are even wider.  As I said earlier, the most important thing (aside from the performance) is getting the mics in the right spot.  After that, almost anything sounds great.

That said, it is still *my* belief that the AD20 is not great.

The real test (see my thread on "transparency") is probably not music, but ambient recordings of familiar events, like visiting with family, eating dinner, whatever.  I've started making a lot of these recordings to compare gear.  Aside from this, I'm keeping important memories.

  Richard
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