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Re: HD DVD or Blu Ray>720p/1080i
« Reply #30 on: November 23, 2007, 01:32:48 PM »
I am in on the Blu-Ray side as the capacity of Blu-Ray is better

Blu-Ray supports 25GB per layer with a maximum of 8 layers for 200GB (only disc's with upto 2 layers are currently avail - I have no idea if you will need a new player when the number of layers go above 2)

HD-DVD supports only 15GB per layer with a maximum of 2 layers for 30 GB (a new addition to the format is currently being developed to push to 3 layers at around 45GB)

This doesn'y mean that Blu-Ray has better picture than HD-DVD, but to me it means that the technology at least from a storage perspective would potentially have a longer lifecycle.

That is simply not true.  Blu-Ray doesn't have a single disc outside of the labs bigger than 50gb.  Toshiba's 51gb HD DVD discs have been fully approved by the HD DVD board and should see release soon after consumer testing.  The expectation is that all HD DVD players will be able to play these newer, higher than Blu-Ray capacity discs with a simple firmware update (which is easy on HD DVD, since an ethernet connection is required in the spec).

Both companies are working on multi-layer huge capacity discs, but they're still in R&D labs. 
I never said 200GB was outside of the labs but it has been developed.  See:
http://www.digitalartsonline.co.uk/news/index.cfm?newsid=4430
http://www.engadget.com/2006/04/12/tdk-hard-at-work-on-8-layer-200gb-blu-ray-disc/
http://www.engadget.com/2006/04/28/tdk-ok-were-done-with-the-200gb-recordable-blu-ray/

Sony R&D had these in 2004 and TDK in 2006

Also the important point is HD-DVD is pegged at 17GB per layer where as Blu-Ray can handle 25GB per layer or 45% more capacity per layer - this means for a data capacity point Blu-Ray is superior.

They are developing 51GB HD-DVD's as you say at 17GB per layer but still it takes 3 layers of HD-DVD to equal 2 layers of Blu-Ray.  The 51GB HD-DVD spec was just approved a few days ago.
http://www.neowin.net/news/main/07/11/18/dvd-forum-approves-triple-layer-hd-dvd-version-20

Overtime HD-DVD may be able to support 8 layers as well but no one has developed this and the max capacity would be 17GB x 8 or 136GB vs 200GB for Blu-Ray


It was approved before the last time I posted - that was approval of the 2.0 spec, the other was 1.9. 
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Re: HD DVD or Blu Ray>720p/1080i
« Reply #31 on: November 24, 2007, 11:25:37 AM »
how long will it take to burn a HD or Blu disc  >:D
shit sometimes it seems to take forever burning 4 or 8 gb
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Re: HD DVD or Blu Ray>720p/1080i
« Reply #32 on: November 30, 2007, 11:31:18 AM »
don't know if anyone is interested but www.dealcatcher.com has a coupon code and a link to a philips outlet sale, you can get a refurb bluray player for 179.  also some nice deals on tv's, etc.
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Re: HD DVD or Blu Ray>720p/1080i
« Reply #33 on: November 30, 2007, 01:31:16 PM »
don't know if anyone is interested but www.dealcatcher.com has a coupon code and a link to a philips outlet sale, you can get a refurb bluray player for 179.  also some nice deals on tv's, etc.
i can't get anything to load except the front page
and that is taking a long time

there we go
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Re: HD DVD or Blu Ray>720p/1080i
« Reply #34 on: November 30, 2007, 02:12:46 PM »
i just got a 42" plasma (1080P) (panasonic)

anyone have any rec's on a player to get?

looks like the toshiba hd-35 has some of the best reviews but its pricey...


anyone have any recs?
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Re: HD DVD or Blu Ray>720p/1080i
« Reply #35 on: November 30, 2007, 02:18:39 PM »
i just got a 42" plasma (1080P) (panasonic)

anyone have any rec's on a player to get?

looks like the toshiba hd-35 has some of the best reviews but its pricey...


anyone have any recs?

I have the A30 and like it.....a friend has the A3 and he likes it........


not much help, I know.

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Re: HD DVD or Blu Ray>720p/1080i
« Reply #36 on: November 30, 2007, 02:27:12 PM »
i just got a 42" plasma (1080P) (panasonic)

anyone have any rec's on a player to get?

looks like the toshiba hd-35 has some of the best reviews but its pricey...


anyone have any recs?

Did you snag one of the Amex ones that I was trying to get?  Gotta wait 'til 3 for my next chance...

Edit - and to answer your question I'd get an A30.  A3 might be enough as well depending on how far away from your set you sit.
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Re: HD DVD or Blu Ray>720p/1080i
« Reply #37 on: November 30, 2007, 02:31:42 PM »
i just got a 42" plasma (1080P) (panasonic)

anyone have any rec's on a player to get?

looks like the toshiba hd-35 has some of the best reviews but its pricey...


anyone have any recs?

Did you snag one of the Amex ones that I was trying to get?  Gotta wait 'til 3 for my next chance...

no, but that amex thing is virtually impossible. waste of time if you ask me...

I did get a fantastic deal on it via sears though... my delivery date got pushed back from 11/26 (my bday) to 12/7....

It was on sale for 1199 (marked down from $1799) and if you paid with your sears card (during the week before thanksgiving, i believe the 17th or so is when we ordered) you got a $150 rebate on your sears card, making the total $1050 before taxes.
Then, since they pushed back my delivery date they offered (after a little bitching) to give me an additional 10% off... so should be a $105 or so discount, bringing my total down to
$945 for the tv....

a steal if you ask me...

so now i need to figure out which player to get.

i believe the a-3 doesn't output 1080p - just 1080i.
i'm not sure about the a-30...

in my research, it seems like the a-35 is the choice - but maybe it'll be best to wait until january?

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Re: HD DVD or Blu Ray>720p/1080i
« Reply #38 on: November 30, 2007, 02:34:48 PM »
oops, my bad. looks like the a-30 DOES output 1080p while the a-3 does 1080i/720p

i figure if i have the 1080p set, i should get a 1080p player...

any major differences between the a-35 and the a-30?


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Re: HD DVD or Blu Ray>720p/1080i
« Reply #39 on: November 30, 2007, 02:45:10 PM »
oops, my bad. looks like the a-30 DOES output 1080p while the a-3 does 1080i/720p

i figure if i have the 1080p set, i should get a 1080p player...

any major differences between the a-35 and the a-30?

I *think* it's just multi-channel analog output.  www.avsforum.com is a good place to check, though.
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Re: HD DVD or Blu Ray>720p/1080i
« Reply #40 on: November 30, 2007, 03:35:38 PM »
thanks, +T

keep me in the loop if any of you hear of any HD DVD specials

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