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CF/SD cards and recorders (who has good/bad luck w/what ?)
« on: January 29, 2008, 05:43:13 PM »
of all the current FLASH based recorders, and the known working brands for various CF, SD cards.
any interest in that?

I've tried my hand at a few cards in various decks.  I think it would be a good resource.
For example..I'm shopping for a card for 24bit recording.  I'd like it to be 8gb or more.  its for a fostex.
what should I stay away from ?
ADATA ?
Transend ?
those two are mentioned because they are typically the least expensive in any given retail line up.

I've got a marantz PMD660 right now and I've had the following results:

working cards:  sandisc 2gb, Transend 4gb
non working cards:  sandisc 4gb, sandisc ultra II 4g (likely counterfeit)

I bet any of my "non working" cards would have worked fine in this pending Fostex deck.
the 660 is just picky.
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Re: we should make a list (and archive it)
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2008, 07:27:13 PM »
Disclaimer - this list is a list made form my own testing, testing done by manufactures, and threads here at TS.com
It in no way is a 100% sure bet you will have the same luck as others who have tested/used cards listed or not listed.

MT1 *
Hitachi 4gb & 6gb Microdrive
Kingston Elite Pro 2gb, 4gb (45x), 8gb
Sandisk Ultra II 8gb
Sandisk Extreme III 8gb
Transcend 8gb
Seagate 8gb microdrive
Lexar 2gb (80x)
Lexar Pro 4gb
Delkin eFilm Pro 8gb
AData 16gb Speedy (40x)
Samsung 8gb

*some cards will report media full on the first pressing of record, press record again and it works fine
latest firmware fixed most of the cards with that issue (1.4.6)

PQI - does NOT work in the MT1 2gb and 4gb

MTII
Sandisk Ultra II 2gb, 4gb, 8gb
16 Gb Transcend 133x
AData 16 GB

Zoom H2
Transcend TS8GSDHC6 - Class 6 8GB
Kingston SD2/4GB - 4GB Class 2

PMD660
Sandisk 512mb
Sandisk Ultra II 512mb, 1gb, 2gb
Kingston 2gb (50x)
Lexar Plat II  1gb, 2gb (80x)
PNY       1 AND 2 GB
Viking     1 GB

PMD671 *
Sandisk Ultra II 2gb, 4gb, 8gb
Kingston Elite 2gb, 4gb
Transcend 4gb
Ridata 2gb (80x)
* toshiba 5gb microdrive - works but prone to vibration

AData 16gb Speedy (40x) report it does NOT work

HD-P2
Lexar-  CF-***40,  CF-***80  Professional
SanDisk-  SDCFB-***,  SDCFH-***,  Ultra 2SDCFK-***,  Extreme III
I/O-  CF40-**,  CF85-**
Buffalo-  RCF-GP***
Hitachi-  3K4-2MicroDrive, 3K4-4MicroDrive
Delkin,  ***eFilm Pro
PQI 8gb (100x), 5gb (120x)
Kingston 4gb & 8gb (45x)
Kingston Elite Pro 8gb (133)
Lexar Professional 8gb 133x P/N 2592 tests @ 24/192
RiDATA 4gb PRO 150x tests @ 24/192
various AData, Seagate
Samsung 8gb
Transcend 8gb (120x), (133x)

R-09 *
Transcend SDHC 4gb class 2
Transcend 4gb (150x) - same as above ???
OCZ 4gb class 6
Sandisk (not ultra II) 1gb 4gb
Kingston 4gb class 2
PQI 2gb (x2)
Kingston 8gb SDHC class 6

*mixed reviews on the transcend and the sandisk - many more working results then not working though

R1
Kingston elite 4gb
Simpletech 8gb

SD702
AData 16gb Speedy (40x) @ 24/96
transcend 133x 8 gig and 32 gig

SD 722
Transcend 8gb standard CF 120x
Lexar Platinum II 80x

FR2-LE *
kingston elite pro 4gb (45x)
sandisk ultra II 2gb, 4gb
AData 4gb, 8gb, 16gb (40x)
* Toshiba 5gb microdrive - works but prone to vibration
Transcend 4gb, 8gb (133x)

Deva 5.8
Transcend 16GB 133X - 300X UDMA Enabled Compact Flash Card
Qmemory 16GB 150x Compact Flash Card

R-44 fresh out of the gate, original firmware
- While running Digital In (16/44.1) onto aTranscend 16gb type 6 sdhc card, I continually encountered the "SD SLOW ERROR".  This error surfaced when the card was 1/2 full as well as newly formatted. After switching the 16gb card with a Transcend 4gb type 6 card, I have not encountered the issue again.
- I've had issues with Transcend 16 gb cards as well.   Panasonic and Toshiba 16gb cards are the only ones that have been tested and proved to work
- I've been doing digital-in @ 24/44 with a 8GB Transcend class 6 card with no issues.
- 8gb Adata class6 sdhc cards are working great...4ch digi+analog @ 24/48 stereox2.

SD/SDHC Card Compatibility update from Edirol - 01 Nov 2008:
CARD TEST WITH R-44
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OK
 
Toshiba SD-M32G,  32GB
Toshiba SD-M16G,  16GB
Toshiba SD-HC008GT4,  8GB
Hagiwara HPC-SDH8GT4C,  8GB
Hagiwara HPC-SDH4GT4C,  4GB
Hagiwara HPC-SD2GT,  2GB
Hagiwara HPC-SD512T,  512MB
Kingston SD2/8GBFE,  8GB
Kingston SD2/4GBFE,  4GB
Kingston SD/2GBKR,  2GB
Kingston SD/2GBFE,  2GB
Kingston SD/1GBFE,  1GB
Panasonic RP-SDM16GK1K,  16GB
Panasonic RP-SDV16GK1K,  16GB
Panasonic RP-SDM08GK1K,  8GB
Panasonic RP-SDV08GK1K,  8GB
Panasonic RP-SDV04GJ1K,  4GB
Panasonic RP-SDM04GK1K,  4GB
Panasonic RP-SDV02GJ1A,  2GB
Panasonic RP-SDM02GJ1A,  2GB
Panasonic RP-SDR02GJ1A,  2GB
Panasonic RP-SDQ02GJ1A,  2GB
Panasonic RP-SDV01GJ1A,  1GB
Panasonic RP-SDM01GJ1A,  1GB
Panasonic RP-SDR01GJ1A,  1GB
Panasonic RP-SDQ01GJ1A,  1GB
Panasonic RP-SDR512J1A,  512MB
Panasonic RP-SDV32GL1K 32GB(6)
Panasonic RP-SDV16GL1K 16GB(6)
Panasonic RP-SDM16GL1K 16GB(4)
Panasonic RP-SDV08GL1K 8GB(6)
Panasonic RP-SDM08GL1K 8GB(4)
Panasonic RP-SDV04GL1K 4GB(6)
Panasonic RP-SDM04GL1K 4GB(4)
Panasonic RP-SDV02GL1A 2GB(6)
Panasonic RP-SDM02GL1A 2GB(4)
Panasonic RP-SDV01GL1A 1GB(6)   
Panasonic RP-SDM01GL1A 1GB(4)
IO DATA SDHC-8G,  8GB
IO DATA SDHC-4G,  4GB
IO DATA SD-2G,   2GB
IO DATA SD-1G,   1GB
IO DATA SD20-1G,  1GB
IO DATA SD20-512M,  512MB
BUFFALO RSDC-G2G,  2GB
BUFFALO RSDC-G1G,  1GB
BUFFALO RSDC-S512M,  512MB
BUFFALO RSDC-G512M,  512MB
SanDisk SDSDBR-4096-J85, 4GB
SanDisk SDSDRH-4096-903, 4GB
SanDisk SDSDB-2048-J60  2GB
SanDisk SDSDB-1024-J60  1GB
SanDisk SDSDH-1024-903,  1GB
SanDisk SDSDB-1024-A10,  1GB
SanDisk SDSDH-512-903,  512MB
SanDisk SDSDB-256-J60,  256MB
SanDisk SDSDH-016G-J61 16GB(4)
SanDisk SDSDRX3-8192-903 8GB(6)
SanDisk SDSDH-008G-J61 8GB(4)
SanDisk SDSDB-8192-J95 8GB(2)
SanDisk SDSDRX3-4096-903 4GB(6)
SanDisk SDSDH-004G-J61 4GB(4)
SanDisk SDSDB-4096-J95 4GB(2)
SanDisk SDSDH-002G-J61 2GB(4)
SanDisk SDSDX3-002G-J21 2GB(6)
SanDisk SDSDX3-2048-903 2GB
SanDisk SDSDB-2048-J95 2GB(2)
SanDisk SDSDB-1024-J95 1GB(2)
Lexar SD2GB-231,  2GB
Lexar SD1GB-231,  1GB
Lexar SD512-231,  512MB
Transcend TS8GSDHC,  8GB
Transcend TS4GSDHC,  4GB
Transcend TS4GSD150,  4GB
Transcend TS2GSD150,  2GB
Transcend TS1GSD80,  1GB

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NO Good (slow)
 
PQI QSDS-1G,   1GB  4824M4-slow
BUFFALO RSDC-S2G,  2GB  9624S2-slow
Hagiwara HPC-SD1GT,  1GB  9624S2-slow
Transcend TS1GSDC,  1GB  9624S2-slow 4824M4-OK

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Re: we should make a list (and archive it)
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2008, 09:46:53 PM »
ACM 660 for me too, and I've gone strictly by the suggestions that were on th Oade list when that was up and running.

Lexar     2gb
PNY       1 AND 2 GB
Viking     1 GB

All work without problem

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Re: we should make a list (and archive it)
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2008, 10:00:36 PM »
What qualifies as "works"?  One person trying it with one card and one recorder with no formal testing, just ad hoc experience?  Three people?  Someone with the time and knowledge to perform formal testing?

Seems obvious, and maybe unnecessary, but I think it's a good idea to include a disclaimer of some kind that results may vary.

Have fun and good luck!
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Re: we should make a list (and archive it)
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2008, 11:22:02 PM »
I have a pair of regular Sandisk 4GB that have run flawlessly over and over for me in a WCM660.
...after replacing the first one I got, which magically died on the first outing  :P

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« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2008, 11:58:53 PM »
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Re: we should make a list (and archive it)
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2008, 12:21:40 AM »
Microtrack 1

Kingston Elite PRO 2GB (45X - CF/2GB-S) no issues, recorded a 20 or so times
Transcend 8GB (120X - TS8GCF120) 'media is full' warning, works if REC pushed again, used 4 times.

I really suggest people get the part number or model number as a part of this survey, there seems to be some variations within a manufacturer's product line for the same sized cards.

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Re: we should make a list (and archive it)
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2008, 07:05:38 AM »
What qualifies as "works"?  One person trying it with one card and one recorder with no formal testing, just ad hoc experience?  Three people?  Someone with the time and knowledge to perform formal testing?

Seems obvious, and maybe unnecessary, but I think it's a good idea to include a disclaimer of some kind that results may vary.

Have fun and good luck!

I would think that if you own a deck and a certain CF card, you'd know if it works or not.  no matter if you tested it thoroughly or just practical use in the field taught you that its stable, or not.
so, end user stability I'd guess is the factor.

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Re: we should make a list (and archive it)
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2008, 11:06:47 AM »
fr2le - kingston elite pro 4gb 45x, sandisk ultra II 4gb(only cards i have ever tried)
mics: (4)akg c460b(a60,mk46,ck1x,ck1,ck2,ck3,ck61,ck63)
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Re: we should make a list (and archive it)
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2008, 11:13:19 AM »
I would think that if you own a deck and a certain CF card, you'd know if it works or not.  no matter if you tested it thoroughly or just practical use in the field taught you that its stable, or not.
so, end user stability I'd guess is the factor.

Some issues don't arise right away.  Some issues require certain conditions to be met, which a user may only run into occasionally.  Some cards may work with the same recorder for one person, but not another.  Lots of variables to consider.  Basically, I don't think people should consider a list like this the definitive, authoritative source.  That said, it's certainly useful as an anecdotal guide, and I think that's your intent.  But I just want to caution people to not put too much stock in it, and do their own testing, since I've far too often seen a single person say X, Y, or Z on TS and all of a sudden TSers everywhere are touting that X, Y, or Z is definitively true.
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Re: we should make a list (and archive it)
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2008, 11:20:11 AM »
Basically, I don't think people should consider a list like this the definitive, authoritative source.

I agree. One thing to keep in mind is that the manufacturers will sometimes change the "guts" of their flash components and not reflect the difference in any way on the packaging... i.e. what works today, may fail tomorrow (or vis versa).
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Re: we should make a list (and archive it)
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2008, 11:40:30 AM »
chances are greater if i card works for most people it will work for you and if i card doesn't work for most people it will prob not work for you

you could look at any website including fostex for example where they tested __ card and it worked for them but doesn't for you

of course their is the chance a card will work for one and not another but if i see 10 people say the kingston works and one that doesn't compared to 5 that say the sandisk works and 5 that say it doesn;t i will take my chance with the kingston first

anyway i think the point is to have a thread with as much info on cards working or not to makwe it easier for people when searching for info
instead of reading 50 threads
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Re: we should make a list (and archive it)
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2008, 01:11:06 PM »
im curious if anyone has noticed a negative difference in card speeds.  like does the 133x have more self noise than the 45x. 
what are the pros and cons of higher speed?  im running the fr2le and need to get some 4gig cards to handle 24bit
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Re: we should make a list (and archive it)
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2008, 01:18:55 PM »
im curious if anyone has noticed a negative difference in card speeds.  like does the 133x have more self noise than the 45x. 
what are the pros and cons of higher speed?  im running the fr2le and need to get some 4gig cards to handle 24bit
i know the MT1 did NOT care for higher speed cards
it worked much better with 40Xish cards over 133Xish
as far as noise or anything i don't know
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Re: we should make a list (and archive it)
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2008, 03:32:48 PM »
Microtrack 1

Kingston Elite PRO 2GB (45X - CF/2GB-S) no issues, recorded a 20 or so times
Transcend 8GB (120X - TS8GCF120) 'media is full' warning, works if REC pushed again, used 4 times.

I really suggest people get the part number or model number as a part of this survey, there seems to be some variations within a manufacturer's product line for the same sized cards.

When I upgraded to the latest firmware, the "media is full" message and problem went away on the Transcend and on a few othercards.
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