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Re: Outdoor Festival Windscreens
« Reply #30 on: July 23, 2016, 08:22:14 AM »
After finally having a chance to listen to a bunch of outdoor recordings I made back in April and May, I have to say I'm disappointed with the Movos.  While I don't have any direct comps, I've gone years running either Shure a81ws or DPA ua0896+fur and I'm noticing far more frequent instances of wind rumble on my recordings with the Movos than I ever have using the other screens.  My guess is that the fur on the Movos isn't up to the task.  Caveat emptor.  Yes, they're cheap and look the part, but I don't think they're worth the gamble to save a few dollars.

Craig do you have any idea on the wind speed on the days that the Movos didn't cut it?
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Re: Outdoor Festival Windscreens
« Reply #31 on: July 26, 2016, 01:43:44 AM »
I wish I did have the Rycotes! That said, the Movo's have worked great for me so far, and I haven't noticed any wind noise the year or so Ive been running them! Even when I was just recording birds/nature@6am one morning, I didn't notice any wind noise when there were def some decent gusts during the recording time :)

We need a COMP to hear the difference with our own ears! I realize Rycote put a lot of R&D into their design, and Rycote is an amazing company! But for $15/each, it was worth a shot for me to try the Movo's last year. I haven't been let down yet, but I also haven't taped a shitload of outdoor festies this year either :)

Id love to hear any input on the Rycote or Movo's :)
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Re: Outdoor Festival Windscreens
« Reply #33 on: August 02, 2016, 09:06:20 PM »
which "Rycote Softies" would work for a neumann active setup?  my big ass shures have literally started to fall apart!  so time for another pair or something new.  I've slimmed my rig/bag down so space is an issue as well.  the bas took a lot of room in the bag.
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Re: Outdoor Festival Windscreens
« Reply #34 on: August 04, 2016, 11:34:38 PM »
which "Rycote Softies" would work for a neumann active setup?  my big ass shures have literally started to fall apart!  so time for another pair or something new.  I've slimmed my rig/bag down so space is an issue as well.  the bas took a lot of room in the bag.

Well, there are [2] versions of the Rycote "Softie". The "Classic Softie", has the fur covering, and the newer "Super Softie", has a fur-less black nylon covering! I have the Movo WS80's, which are a copy of the Rycote "Classic Softie" which have the fur coating, but I want to upgrade to the BBG/WJ or the Movo WST80's, which are a copy of the Rycote "Super Softie", so that they don't shed, since they don't have any fur :)

Id still love to hear a Movo/Rycote comp sometime! But eventually, I do see myself owning [4] BBG's/WJ's :)
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Re: Outdoor Festival Windscreens
« Reply #35 on: August 05, 2016, 09:09:06 PM »
^ Knowing that there was a manufacturing issue affecting performance that Rycote encountered when they first released the Super Softie it's probably best to stay away from cheap imitations made in China!  Saving your beans for Rycote's Super Softie would be ideal, if you want Rycote buy Rycote. Their customer service is excellent and they exert extensive product development.  Yes, they are spendy in the US but you are getting well designed and developed products with excellent support.

IMHO with Movo you'll get a big question mark all the way around. It may be tempting spending money on Softie and Super Softie imitations but would be money that could've gone toward the purchase of Rycote gear. Imitators are not producing clones or exact copies, they're simply making a product that visually resembles Rycote's at a price that is too good to be true.
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Re: Outdoor Festival Windscreens
« Reply #36 on: August 06, 2016, 03:09:42 PM »
Movos are working fine for me.  Cheap, too.

Give them a try.....let's get some more anecdotal evidence, at least.

Another vote for the Movos. I've run the WST50 Ballistic screens (the ones without fur) a few times this summer in fairly gusty conditions and they were perfectly adequate. At least once I noticed the wind picked up enough to make the stand wobble for a few minutes and no artifacts. No appreciable attenuation of high frequencies either. On my tiny AKG CK1X active caps the depth of the opening is longer than the cap which creates another pocket of still air right at the capsule and I'm sure that helps.

If it were really gusty I would drop the stand and put a couple of Crown Royal bags over them.

If you have the coin and tape outside a lot, I would spring for the Rycotes with fur despite their manufacturing issues. They are the industry standard for professionals for a reason.

If you don't have to deal with really gusty conditions I think the Movos would do just fine at a considerable discount.

All you guys that diss the discount "imitators" have you actually asked the companies you talk trash about if they do any actual research and testing or just assume they reverse engineer another companies product? Shameless fluffing with no basis in reality is nothing new around here.

Let's face it, no one is perfect. Even the almighty Rycote did all their R&D then released a product that didn't live up to their own specifications.
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Re: Outdoor Festival Windscreens
« Reply #37 on: August 06, 2016, 04:31:22 PM »
Man i thought my movos did great at Huck Finn, no wind at all really. And there were some serious gusts that would have shown up if i used my DPA's. 

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Re: Outdoor Festival Windscreens
« Reply #38 on: August 06, 2016, 11:38:12 PM »
After my buddy jbell's told me he ran the Movo WS80's at red rocks without issue I went with a set of those. have not ran them yet though.  they do seem to shed a bit for my liking!
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Re: Outdoor Festival Windscreens
« Reply #39 on: August 06, 2016, 11:47:49 PM »
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I thought you were using your own term, like we do for the 'Big Ass Shures'...but thats actually real.  Granted, my mind is always in the gutter, but I honestly can't imagine how that got to the top of development and they agreed, "yeah, that sounds like an alright name."

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Re: Outdoor Festival Windscreens
« Reply #40 on: August 06, 2016, 11:54:14 PM »
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Re: Outdoor Festival Windscreens
« Reply #41 on: August 14, 2016, 02:31:02 PM »
Just a note on the Big Ass Shure windscreens...I have an older pair I got about a decade ago. I had not used in a few years, and pulled them out for an event. Well I store them in a large ziplock bag and they have deteriorated to the point of being a bag of black dust.

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Re: Outdoor Festival Windscreens
« Reply #42 on: August 02, 2017, 02:55:51 PM »
Just a note on the Big Ass Shure windscreens...I have an older pair I got about a decade ago. I had not used in a few years, and pulled them out for an event. Well I store them in a large ziplock bag and they have deteriorated to the point of being a bag of black dust.

I just pulled mine out of a Pelican case after a couple of year Hiatus and while not disintegrated they have permanent hand prints in the foam.  Not something that used to happen when I was using them regularly.

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Re: Outdoor Festival Windscreens
« Reply #43 on: August 02, 2017, 03:11:41 PM »
I ran both the fury and the slick Movo screens in early June. IIRC, I had to do some remedial repair on some gusty bits.

Did you notice any significant difference between the two?  I have the "slick" version but won't get to use them until marching band season starts in September.
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Re: Outdoor Festival Windscreens
« Reply #44 on: August 02, 2017, 03:43:17 PM »
Many types of plastic foam eventually breaks down, and once the process becomes obvious it seems to accelerate. I made it through this spring using my old Shure A81WS which are on their way out, careful not to rub or squash them too much, but I'll need to replace them this fall.  I've decided to stick with the Shure's instead of moving to the Rycote's or Movo's partly because my application is rather non-standard and the foam Shure's are more adaptable and a proven known-good solution for me and I figure a decade of use before needing to replace them is reasonable. 

I'm now wondering if storing them sealed in bags with some oxygen absorbent packs in there may extend their useful life.  Not desiccant packs, but the oxygen absorbent ones, since many foams are susceptible to damage from long-term exposure to air, or even short-term exposure to ozone.

If anyone has or finds an especially attractive source for Shure A81WS please let me know as I'll need to pickup four of them.



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