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neumann mic with integrated A/D converter
« on: August 22, 2008, 09:17:43 AM »
Neumann introduces a digital version of its tlm 103.... no external A/D conversion needed, you plug the mic directly to a digital in.

see http://www.neumann.com/?lang=en&id=current_microphones&cid=tlm103d_description

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Re: neumann mic with integrated A/D converter
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2008, 09:30:44 AM »
Wow.  Now there's a product that no one asked for right there.   :P


(I did own a pair of 103's for a bit, so I'm not a hater like most.  They weren't particularly special sounding though - they must have been in the wrong line when the "Neumann Magic" was being passed out.)
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Re: neumann mic with integrated A/D converter
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2008, 10:38:18 AM »
Neumann introduces a digital version of its tlm 103.... no external A/D conversion needed, you plug the mic directly to a digital in.

see http://www.neumann.com/?lang=en&id=current_microphones&cid=tlm103d_description

This is a little misleading as you *can't* just plug it in to a digital in.

This is an AES42 microphone and you need an AES42 input on the equipment, or a converter to change AES42 to AES3.

The AES42 spec. includes a 10V / 250mA phantom power supply to power the mic. and also specifies data transfer.

Neumann make an inexpensive "connection kit" for a single mic. that converts AES42 to AES3.  They also do the DMI-2 and DMI-8 units and RME also make an AES42 box.



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Re: neumann mic with integrated A/D converter
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2008, 07:32:28 PM »
..so with all those digital connections, they couldn't bring themselves to put a USB out on it :)
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Re: neumann mic with integrated A/D converter
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2008, 04:57:36 PM »
..so with all those digital connections, they couldn't bring themselves to put a USB out on it :)

It's a professional mic. - not a toy.  ;D

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Re: neumann mic with integrated A/D converter
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2008, 08:29:46 AM »
got a link to the rme box?

is it portable?

Neumann introduces a digital version of its tlm 103.... no external A/D conversion needed, you plug the mic directly to a digital in.

see http://www.neumann.com/?lang=en&id=current_microphones&cid=tlm103d_description

This is a little misleading as you *can't* just plug it in to a digital in.

This is an AES42 microphone and you need an AES42 input on the equipment, or a converter to change AES42 to AES3.

The AES42 spec. includes a 10V / 250mA phantom power supply to power the mic. and also specifies data transfer.

Neumann make an inexpensive "connection kit" for a single mic. that converts AES42 to AES3.  They also do the DMI-2 and DMI-8 units and RME also make an AES42 box.



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Re: neumann mic with integrated A/D converter
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2008, 08:35:01 AM »
got a link to the rme box?

is it portable?

Looks like John is talking about the RME DMC-842
http://www.rme-audio.de/en_products_dmc_842.php

"The DMC-842 is both an 8-Channels AES42 interface as well as a controller for digital microphones."

and no, it doesn't look portable - its rack mountable and needs AC power.

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Re: neumann mic with integrated A/D converter
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2008, 10:38:31 AM »
Looks like John is talking about the RME DMC-842
http://www.rme-audio.de/en_products_dmc_842.php

Yes I was.

The Current AES42 boxes are the Neumann 2 and 8-channel devices, the RME 8-channel and the Marian PC cards.

Neumann do a connection kit which *is* portable - but this only supports a single mic. (Though it *can* do two Sennheiser MKH 8000 series via the MZD 8000 unit, out later this year).


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Re: neumann mic with integrated A/D converter
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2008, 07:18:26 AM »
As always with new technology it is not easy to tell which direction the market will take. Some technology is adapted very quickly, some takes a  long time and some is never accepted by the market at all. It may also be very different depending on the market segment.

You could argue that for example MADI has been slow in adoption. Madi allows 64 channels on one optical cable and in the last few years quite a few MADI systems has come into use, decades after the standard was created. And I would believe a lot (if not most) largish touring acts now use MADI between stage and FOH mixer.

Digital microphones will probably also take a while. But just consider what may happen when we have the following two components:

1)  a few low-priced boxes that accepts stereo digital microphones (imagine as example apple including it in next version of the "special garageband edition of iPhone")
2) a few low-priced digitial microphones, perhaps from China.

Once these two are in place, we could have a very quick acceptance on the market.

There is nothing in the AES standard that limits these things to the top-level segment of microphones. Having the digital converter in the microphone has a number of advantages (and of course a number of disadvantages) and could be the perfect solution to a lot of technical problems. My guess is that it could be rather simple for a mass-marketer to include the AD in the mic -- basically one (complicated but still) chip and a few components around it. The complicated analog chain with a preamplifier with largish transformers or condensors to isolate from phantom power would not be needed. And the recording box would turn into a simple bit-bucket which would take prices down. History shows that purely digital stuff has plummeted down in price, but combining it with analog (with any quality) makes it expensive. We will have to wait a little to see the direction.

The current crop of digital AES microphones are squarily aimed at a set of professional applications, not at the general taper. In a professional setting (say a largish radio corporation or TV studio) these could be the perfect solution. No delicate analog signals anywhere, everything digital (in a studio video is probably digital already).

If the low-priced mics comes around we will have the choice of going up market when we choose ourselves. Currently Neumann and Schoeps (in a smallish way) are the ones driving the mic side of things, you could perhaps argue that RME drives the connection box part of these things. Neither is aimed at the hobbyist market, so there clearly is an opening there.

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Re: neumann mic with integrated A/D converter
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2008, 05:19:32 PM »
Mics by: Neumann Schoeps and Sennheiser - so far

Boxes by: Neumann, RME & Marian

Connector kit by: Neumann

The connector kit is a simple device that enables the connection of a single AES42 device to and AES3 input - in the case of the Sennheiser MZD 8000 that means a stereo pair - and the connection kit can be battery powered.

There are a lot of advantages to AES42 digital if tou think it all through - but analogue will still be with us for a long time.

 

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