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Offline Brian Skalinder

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Re: typical max concert volume?
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2008, 11:26:27 AM »
How do you guys handle the bass when wearing ear plugs?
When I wear ear plugs it feels like the bass wants to explode from my chest or something like that.

Use better earplugs.  :P  Of course, I can't say that until I know:  what earplugs do you use?
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Re: typical max concert volume?
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2008, 11:35:23 AM »
115 db is 3 times louder than 85 dB, btw.


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as for earplugs i used the foam ones a lot then i got the hifi ones
they either work reallllly good or not at all
because everything comes in clear but there doesn't seem to be much difference between having them in and having them out as far as the overall volume goes
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Re: typical max concert volume?
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2008, 11:36:26 AM »
if you haven't invested in custom ear plugs, you really should.
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Re: typical max concert volume?
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2008, 11:37:57 AM »
How do you guys handle the bass when wearing ear plugs?
When I wear ear plugs it feels like the bass wants to explode from my chest or something like that.

Use better earplugs.  :P  Of course, I can't say that until I know:  what earplugs do you use?
the ones you sent me
I don't remember what they were exactly know now, but they were the extras you kicked down a while back.
ety's I thought just don't recall the model.
That would make sense though hah

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Re: typical max concert volume?
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2008, 12:02:42 PM »
How do you guys handle the bass when wearing ear plugs?
When I wear ear plugs it feels like the bass wants to explode from my chest or something like that.
Not sure how to explain it really.
The only way I can attempt to explain it is when I put on earplugs it feels like I'm capping pressure and I can feel that pressure more so than when not wearing earplugs and it's kind of a uncomfortable feeling.
So I don't wear plugs although I know I should be and I still carry them with me.
It's even worst when it's a very bass heavy show too.

It's an illusion. Once you put the plugs in you sort of trick your brain into thinking it's quieter, yet the 'feel it in you chest' bass sensation is not reduced, so you notice that sensation more and it can seem amplified.  In addition, in the ear hearing only range (vs the tactile bass range I just mentioned), most plugs are far more effective at blocking higher frequencies than lower ones.  Even though the sound pressure levels for all frequencies are reduced at the eardrum, the higher frequencies are reduced more than the lower ones. 

It's hard to design a plug that absorbs more low frequencies and less of the highs.  High frequencies are easy to block, but low frequencies easily penetrate stuff, including your body and head and can 'bypass' the fear plug to a limited extent.  Foam plugs are very effective at sealing your ear canal and lowering SPLs of all frequencies but their response is not flat - they absorb way more  high frequencies than lows.  The Etymotic plugs attempt to flatten the response curve, but they still roll off at the top end. Some people love them, including many here. But personally I don't like them at all, I get a weird resonance. I even tried putting the Ety plastic chamber in a foam plug instead of the flanged seal but that didn't work either.  That's the only reason I haven't gotten customs made.  After trying the Etymotic plugs I'm worried I won't like them either.

I prefer the cheapo 30db reduction blue plugs from the drug store.  If the music is just a bit too loud I just insert them partially with a bit of a gap, and adjust the gap as a sort of 'tone control' until I like the balance.  If it's really loud or if there is the typical slamming overdriven subwoofer style bass I use a different strategy.  I roll the plug like normal and insert it fully into my ear. After it expands I then compress the bit sticking out into my ear so that the foam is all compressed equally and flush with or even inside my ear a bit.  That seems to maximally seal to absorb as much bass as possible, but also makes the plug denser and shorter overall and flattens the curve a little bit. 

Sounds like crap for a little bit, but your brain soon adjusts to the sound and things sound normal again.  Everything starts to sound clearer. Bear with it more than a few minutes if you can't stand the muffled sound and you'll adapt to it.

Maybe I should look into the customs again.  Anyone here dislike the Ety universal fits but love their customs? 
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Re: typical max concert volume?
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2008, 12:12:24 PM »
nice explanation.
That is a much better way of saying it than I could of.
That is one reason why I haven't bought the customs yet either; is because of that.
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Re: typical max concert volume?
« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2008, 12:19:13 PM »
good custom molded ear plug are (relatively) flat and that low end build up effect is not present.
i feel so comfortable in mine that i will sometimes mix in them for loud, or long, festivals after getting a decent mix dialed in with them out. there is no comparison between good custom molds and the disposable type. none. the only thing i can't do in them is talk on the phone.
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Re: typical max concert volume?
« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2008, 12:25:44 PM »
That's encouraging hear, I'll look into them again.  what reduction rating do you use/recommend?
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Re: typical max concert volume?
« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2008, 12:47:56 PM »
That's encouraging hear, I'll look into them again.  what reduction rating do you use/recommend?

i have -15db and -25db "pads".
i wear -15db to work in and -25db for riding on the motorcycle and running the leaf blower/lawn mower/weed whacker.
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Re: typical max concert volume?
« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2008, 01:06:46 PM »
the ones you sent me

Right!  Ety ER-20, I think.  They're good.  Custom plugs feel and sound much better, IMO.  I definitely required an adjustment period when going from no plugs to ER-20s, and from ER-20s to custom, with the former a bigger adjustment.

Maybe I should look into the customs again.  Anyone here dislike the Ety universal fits but love their customs?

I liked the sound of the Ety ER-20s better than no plugs, but I hated the fit.  The custom's have great fit (obviously) and better sound.
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Re: typical max concert volume?
« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2008, 09:27:24 PM »
The best articles ever written about dB:

http://www.prorec.com/Articles/tabid/109/EntryId/50/What-s-your-dB-IQ.aspx

http://www.prorec.com/Articles/tabid/109/EntryId/51/What-s-your-dB-IQ.aspx

Excellent articles. I came across those years ago but had forgotten them. Thanks for the links, that's a great refresher.  These should be posted in Teddy's reference materials thread if not in there already.
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Re: typical max concert volume?
« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2008, 09:34:29 PM »
fortunately i figured it out in the mid 90's when i was about 100 shows in

i remember seeing iron maiden, metallica, etc in high school, and literally wouldnt be able to hear right for DAYS. wish i knew then what i know now



Yep, fellow hearing sufferer here.  I'm a 43yo male, suffering from hearing loss for the last couple of years.  I didn't notice it until I got tinnitus (sp?).  I now wear (open type) hearing aids to fight this, but I also notice, surprise surprise, that I hear music better with the hearing aids in.  Typical listening level is 75-80dBA.  For shows I always wear earplugs.  Have been for the last few years.  Should have learned this earlier.

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Re: typical max concert volume?
« Reply #27 on: July 19, 2008, 12:48:10 AM »
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Re: typical max concert volume?
« Reply #28 on: July 20, 2008, 02:17:26 PM »
Given The OSHA standards, why is it legal for Concerts to be so loud? Why aren't there massive class action lawsuits against concert venues by all those who now have hearing loss?

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Re: typical max concert volume?
« Reply #29 on: July 20, 2008, 02:26:04 PM »
Given The OSHA standards, why is it legal for Concerts to be so loud? Why aren't there massive class action lawsuits against concert venues by all those who now have hearing loss?

-Noah
I wondering the same thing.  If a hot coffee can spur lawsuits, why aren't people paying attention to concert (and general noise) sound levels?

I also feel for staff working at these venues.  Continuous exposure has to louder than most workplaces (factory, etc).

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