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ISO: Rycote InVision 6 pics with a Schoeps Active Bar
« on: January 06, 2014, 03:11:52 AM »
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Re: ISO: Rycote InVision 6 pics with a Schoeps Active Bar
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2014, 11:42:08 AM »
if nobody beats me to it I can probably do this tonight. I had a couple inv-6's on my xmas list and Santa hooked me up. I can say the inv-6 looks perfect for an ORTF or DIN/DINa since it has the shorter spacing. I was trying it out last night.

for the longer bars such as A-B and maybe even the NOS the inv-7 will give a little more stability since they are intended to support longer mic bodies like the AKG 460s. I haven't tried the longer mics/bars in an inv-6 yet but suspect it'll be a little too wobbly.
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Re: ISO: Rycote InVision 6 pics with a Schoeps Active Bar
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2014, 12:01:39 PM »
if nobody beats me to it I can probably do this tonight. I had a couple inv-6's on my xmas list and Santa hooked me up. I can say the inv-6 looks perfect for an ORTF or DIN/DINa since it has the shorter spacing. I was trying it out last night.

for the longer bars such as A-B and maybe even the NOS the inv-7 will give a little more stability since they are intended to support longer mic bodies like the AKG 460s. I haven't tried the longer mics/bars in an inv-6 yet but suspect it'll be a little too wobbly.

For any bars longer than that, you'd do better to get the heavy grade INV (like the HG-2 or HG-3, whatever number they are on), I think that was about as far as I pushed mine when I had a set of beyer remote caps. The weight of the bar and caps cause the smaller lyres to sag which reduces their effectiveness.
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Re: ISO: Rycote InVision 6 pics with a Schoeps Active Bar
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2014, 12:35:02 PM »
^Or you could use two mounts on one Vark Bar if using the large/long active bar.  Maybe overkill, but very sturdy.
....but check out the HG-MKII....  it's pretty great too!
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Re: ISO: Rycote InVision 6 pics with a Schoeps Active Bar
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2014, 12:44:56 PM »
nice!!
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Re: ISO: Rycote InVision 6 pics with a Schoeps Active Bar
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2014, 01:20:47 PM »
check out the HG-MKII

Yep, that's it. Thanks.
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Re: ISO: Rycote InVision 6 pics with a Schoeps Active Bar
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2014, 12:07:56 AM »
I just want pics of a schoeps DIN/DINa bar with the INV 6 ;) I will have two of them on a. Vark bar like my current a20s setup!
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Re: ISO: Rycote InVision 6 pics with a Schoeps Active Bar
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2014, 12:01:35 PM »
if nobody beats me to it I can probably do this tonight. I had a couple inv-6's on my xmas list and Santa hooked me up. I can say the inv-6 looks perfect for an ORTF or DIN/DINa since it has the shorter spacing. I was trying it out last night.

for the longer bars such as A-B and maybe even the NOS the inv-7 will give a little more stability since they are intended to support longer mic bodies like the AKG 460s. I haven't tried the longer mics/bars in an inv-6 yet but suspect it'll be a little too wobbly.

NB: The INV-7 has 3 options.

1) The standard wide spacing.
2) Move the rear Lyre forward and you get the narrow spacing of the INV-6 instead.
3) Move the front Lyre instead and you get a medium spacing.

The INV-7 is *very* flexible.


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Re: ISO: Rycote InVision 6 pics with a Schoeps Active Bar
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2014, 01:16:19 PM »
NB: The INV-7 has 3 options.

1) The standard wide spacing.
2) Move the rear Lyre forward and you get the narrow spacing of the INV-6 instead.
3) Move the front Lyre instead and you get a medium spacing.

The INV-7 is *very* flexible.

I know that you can purchase replacement/upgrade lyres, but is the INV-7 built so that there is a middle screw holder, thus an enterprising individual could screw on a third middle lyre for additional support of heavier loads?
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Re: ISO: Rycote InVision 6 pics with a Schoeps Active Bar
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2014, 01:43:11 PM »
NB: The INV-7 has 3 options.

1) The standard wide spacing.
2) Move the rear Lyre forward and you get the narrow spacing of the INV-6 instead.
3) Move the front Lyre instead and you get a medium spacing.

The INV-7 is *very* flexible.

I know that you can purchase replacement/upgrade lyres, but is the INV-7 built so that there is a middle screw holder, thus an enterprising individual could screw on a third middle lyre for additional support of heavier loads?

Yes - the INV-7 has 3 screw holes.

So yo can move the Lyres around to make different spaces (as I said) - or, as you suggested - adding an extra one.

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Re: ISO: Rycote InVision 6 pics with a Schoeps Active Bar
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2014, 03:11:38 PM »
So you can move the Lyres around to make different spaces (as I said) - or, as you suggested - adding an extra one.

excellent. Thanks.
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Re: ISO: Rycote InVision 6 pics with a Schoeps Active Bar
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2014, 03:27:28 PM »
A picture of an active bar in my Rycote mount is in this thread: http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=165122.0

As I noted elsewhere, if you are only concerned with mounting a bar in it, rather than individual mics, this Rycote is a better choice at same price: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/880280-REG/Rycote_041118_INV_8_Microphone_Suspension.html
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Re: ISO: Rycote InVision 6 pics with a Schoeps Active Bar
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2014, 09:58:48 PM »
A picture of an active bar in my Rycote mount is in this thread: http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=165122.0

As I noted elsewhere, if you are only concerned with mounting a bar in it, rather than individual mics, this Rycote is a better choice at same price: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/880280-REG/Rycote_041118_INV_8_Microphone_Suspension.html

I use an HG-MkIII with active bars and it works well.  A very substantial mount.  Just keep in mind that it is a bit wide (2.75 inches) and may be a problem with shorter bars like a DINa where the back of the collettes and the cables protrude at an inward angle.
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Re: ISO: Rycote InVision 6 pics with a Schoeps Active Bar
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2014, 10:24:24 PM »
^I'm not familiar with the HG-MKIII, but a DINa bar fits in the HG-MKII just fine.
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Re: ISO: Rycote InVision 6 pics with a Schoeps Active Bar
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2014, 11:06:17 PM »
Snugger with my AKG actives than my Schoeps actives due to the construction of the collette and cables.
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Re: ISO: Rycote InVision 6 pics with a Schoeps Active Bar
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2014, 01:31:22 AM »
So, does ANYONE have pics of a DINa/DIN/ORTF bar in an INVision 6? thats mainly what Im looking for! I will be using [2] of the Invisions on a vark bar like my current Vark/A20S setup ;)

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=163248.0

So, do yinz think Id be better off with [2] INV6's, or [2]HG-MKII/MKIII ???

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Re: ISO: Rycote InVision 6 pics with a Schoeps Active Bar
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2014, 11:07:15 AM »
Not a great picture but I hope it conveys the size

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ng9mpc3xarmt9ke/inv6_ortf.JPG
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Re: ISO: Rycote InVision 6 pics with a Schoeps Active Bar
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2014, 03:36:25 PM »
Not a great picture but I hope it conveys the size

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ng9mpc3xarmt9ke/inv6_ortf.JPG

And thats an INV6 ??? Thats EXACTLY what I was looking for! Cant thank you enuf Chris 8) Looks like I'll be buying [2] of those INV6's :)
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Re: ISO: Rycote InVision 6 pics with a Schoeps Active Bar
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2014, 03:43:52 PM »
Not a great picture but I hope it conveys the size

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ng9mpc3xarmt9ke/inv6_ortf.JPG

What is around the ORTF bar? Looks like tubing or something? Can u PLEASE snap a couple more pics? Like one looking down on the mount? And one from behind?

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Re: ISO: Rycote InVision 6 pics with a Schoeps Active Bar
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2014, 04:19:20 PM »
^looks like an fbob all-in-one bar.
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Re: ISO: Rycote InVision 6 pics with a Schoeps Active Bar
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2014, 04:39:31 PM »
^looks like an fbob all-in-one bar.

Ahh, thanks Guy! I think youre right :) Sweet, Im psyched now! Cant afford the INV6 just yet, but I will have them soon enough!
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Re: ISO: Rycote InVision 6 pics with a Schoeps Active Bar
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2014, 11:31:47 PM »
^looks like an fbob all-in-one bar.

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Re: ISO: Rycote InVision 6 pics with a Schoeps Active Bar
« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2014, 08:34:46 PM »
I think this is what you have in mind (or very close). Vark bar with a couple of Schoeps active setups using DINa bar on the top and ORTF bar on the bottom. The INV6 is on the top and the INV3 on the bottom. I would go with the 6 unless you want something very small / unobtrusive. There's not much different between them with this setup, the INV3 is even smaller but doesn't provide quite as much stability as the INV6. Plus you need a Phillips screwdriver to adjust / tighten the INV3 while the INV6 can be done by hand. I almost always use the INV6 over the INV3 for what it's worth. And of course you can arrange them however you want on the Vark bar.

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https://www.hightail.com/download/elNLU2VsUnJsamQ3czhUQw

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https://www.hightail.com/download/elNLU2VsUnJubHhnRXNUQw

Right / Front:

https://www.hightail.com/download/elNLU2VsUnJuSlI4SjhUQw

Left:

https://www.hightail.com/download/elNLU2VsUnJTRTUzZU5Vag

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Re: ISO: Rycote InVision 6 pics with a Schoeps Active Bar
« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2014, 11:16:49 PM »
Thank you SOOOO much Brad! I will be mounting both pairs on the top of the vark bar tho. From your pics, it looks like that  will work, so a huge thanks man!!!

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