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Re: How split do split omnis need to be?
« Reply #60 on: June 30, 2014, 11:03:43 AM »
If all goes well, I'll be making a split omnis recording of Umphrey's McGee this Saturday at Red Rocks.
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Re: How split do split omnis need to be?
« Reply #61 on: June 30, 2014, 11:26:39 AM »
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Re: How split do split omnis need to be?
« Reply #62 on: June 30, 2014, 12:12:01 PM »
Bruce Hornsby 06/27/14

Ashevillain's rig to the right

Get a chance to listen and play around with the recording enough to form an opinion on the techniqe yet?  From the photos it looks like a good opportunity to compare overall differences in presentation between the spaced omnis + center pair setup and Ashevillian's near-spaced pair recording.
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Re: How split do split omnis need to be?
« Reply #63 on: June 30, 2014, 12:24:25 PM »
Bruce Hornsby 06/27/14

Ashevillain's rig to the right

Get a chance to listen and play around with the recording enough to form an opinion on the techniqe yet?  From the photos it looks like a good opportunity to compare overall differences in presentation between the spaced omnis + center pair setup and Ashevillian's near-spaced pair recording.

Haven't had a chance to listen to either one of my sources (AT853's or omnis). But I did get to check on my FOB recording (pictured here with opener, ran way higher for Hornsby due to yakking "fans"). CK91 caps>homebrew 9v box>M10. Came out pretty good, just been able to listen to the M10 playback via earbuds. And of course, first 3 songs have the one random clapper that can't keep time for shit lol
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Re: How split do split omnis need to be?
« Reply #64 on: June 30, 2014, 05:05:26 PM »
Having seen your rig pics, I'm still the king of ghetto. You're gonna have to get ugly to beat me.
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Re: How split do split omnis need to be?
« Reply #65 on: July 01, 2014, 09:43:51 AM »
.......Oh yeah, got that 50,000 mha charger Monday, got it fully charged up. Will be interesting to see how good that thing works.

How did the battery do?
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Re: How split do split omnis need to be?
« Reply #66 on: July 01, 2014, 09:57:44 AM »
.......Oh yeah, got that 50,000 mha charger Monday, got it fully charged up. Will be interesting to see how good that thing works.

How did the battery do?

Fine so far, used it for Alejandro Escovedo and opener Thursday night w/o P48, and then Friday at Pisgah for Hornsby and opener with P48, and 3 of the 4 LED's are still working. Probably powered it 7 hours or so. I'm going to give it a real workout at USNWC Thursday and Friday.

I'm also trying to make a shock mount out of a 24 oz. PBR can. I can't be out-ghettoed lol
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Re: How split do split omnis need to be?
« Reply #67 on: July 01, 2014, 10:29:57 AM »
One thing that classes my rig up it the Crown Royal bag clamped to the pole that holds the power supplies for the 853's lol. I really need some female mini-xlr to male mini-xlr's so I can cut that out. Or better yet, a 9 volt battery box, and then I could actually use the 4.7 mod cable I have
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Re: How split do split omnis need to be?
« Reply #68 on: July 03, 2014, 09:44:49 AM »
I tried the WIDE (12ft) omni spread with a Card in Center...not bad...the only comment is Bass is (almost) to the point of needing a EQ....and I never EQ

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Re: How split do split omnis need to be?
« Reply #69 on: July 05, 2014, 05:26:57 PM »
I tried the WIDE (12ft) omni spread with a Card in Center...not bad...the only comment is Bass is (almost) to the point of needing a EQ....and I never EQ

https://archive.org/details/bdl2014-06-28.Avenson_Gefell

Listening now Actually listening to the TAUK set you just uploaded and it sounds pretty good to me through my DT-880s. But I also take that as a key to run hpf since these phones are very flat and most other systems have a bit of bass boost. Anyway, I like it and this is getting me in the mood for my festival trip next weekend these guys are playing. Planning to run some standard cardioid pairs and a four channel split omni/front back hyper setup.

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Re: How split do split omnis need to be?
« Reply #70 on: July 06, 2014, 12:44:49 AM »
This was a smaller festival the and PA was stacked up on stage...the two omni stands were at 7 1/2 feet for this run...the center Card got in the way of the lighting personnel (he is the one you hear talking on the left channel btw  ::) ) so it was a foot or so higher because my buddy was running a standard 3ft split omni bar no center channel on his rig
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Re: How split do split omnis need to be?
« Reply #71 on: July 06, 2014, 08:40:54 PM »
Mic tree for Umphrey's McGee at Red Rocks 07-05-2014 w/my split (26.5") Audix micro omnis.

Recordings here:

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=168890.0
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Re: How split do split omnis need to be?
« Reply #72 on: July 07, 2014, 11:51:54 AM »
Mic tree for Umphrey's McGee at Red Rocks 07-05-2014 w/my split (26.5") Audix micro omnis.

Recordings here:

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=168890.0

Nice!
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Re: How split do split omnis need to be?
« Reply #73 on: July 11, 2014, 03:49:59 PM »
Nice recordings, guys.


I just dug up a close-up showing adjustment of the omni spacing on either side of that baffle back in the spring of '07.  The same painter pole was used as a stand with or without the baffle between the microphones, the baffle attached to the pole by sliding a square wooden peg into the square hole through the painter pole's plastic handle on top.  The pink things holding the mics are pencil erasers slotted to hold the mic cables, which was M0k3's 4060 mounting technique idea.
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Re: How split do split omnis need to be?
« Reply #74 on: July 11, 2014, 04:45:41 PM »
I just recorded a band at noon today where I should have chosen to run omni's instead of a second pair of cardioids because of the wind. I get into a pattern of always running omnis and liking my cardioid source better and not using the omni recording. So, this morning while I was packing up, I thought I'd leave the omnis at home. Bad move. It was way windier than I anticipated.
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Microphones: AKG C 480 B comb-ULS/ CK 61/ CK 63, Sennheiser MKE 2 elements,  Audix M1290-o, Micro capsule active cables w/ Naiant PFA's, Naiant MSH-1O, Naiant AKG Active cables, Church CA-11 (cardioid), (1) Nady SCM-1000 (mod)
Pre-amps: Naiant littlebox, Naiant littlekit v2.0, BM2p+ Edirol UA-5, Church STC-9000
Recorders: Sound Devices MixPre-6, iRiver iHP-120 (Rockboxed & RTC mod)

Recordings on the LMA: http://www.archive.org/bookmarks/ChuckM
Recording website & blog: http://www.timebetweenthenotes.com

 

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