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1st time stealth recording
« on: February 28, 2007, 06:42:25 AM »
hey,

So i've taped enough shows in the last 2 years to think i can pull a pretty decent show. Here's some recent examples.

http://www.archive.org/details/TannerWalle2007-01-24
http://www.archive.org/details/AriHest2006-11-10
http://www.archive.org/details/RyanMontbleau2007-02-06
http://www.archive.org/details/MattNathanson2006-10-02

but never stealthed. i am going to see damien rice (not taper friendly) at the Uptown Theatre in Kansas City (it's one of those old converted theatres with an upstairs balcony and lots of red velour) and am looking for advice on how to make the best recording.

Do i stand down near the stacks at the side very still?
Do i try to get the balcony rail and just 'shushhh' everyone around me?
Do i try to clip the mics onto the rear wall upstairs with a long cable?

I appreciate all recommendations, especially those that have worked in similar situations before.

thanks
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Re: 1st time stealth recording
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2007, 07:08:33 AM »
hey,

So i've taped enough shows in the last 2 years to think i can pull a pretty decent show. Here's some recent examples.

http://www.archive.org/details/TannerWalle2007-01-24
http://www.archive.org/details/AriHest2006-11-10
http://www.archive.org/details/RyanMontbleau2007-02-06
http://www.archive.org/details/MattNathanson2006-10-02

but never stealthed. i am going to see damien rice (not taper friendly) at the Uptown Theatre in Kansas City (it's one of those old converted theatres with an upstairs balcony and lots of red velour) and am looking for advice on how to make the best recording.

Do i stand down near the stacks at the side very still?
Do i try to get the balcony rail and just 'shushhh' everyone around me?
Do i try to clip the mics onto the rear wall upstairs with a long cable?

I appreciate all recommendations, especially those that have worked in similar situations before.

thanks
Brett

you definitely dont want to be shusshing people, unless they need to be shusshed ... not for the recording purposes but for sheer annoyance.

standing still is good, but not "statuesque"
wear the mics at your temples on some glasses and position yourself dead center.  if your old and tired like me, then center mezz is great.  nice seat.  good acoustics.  great view.

pull the heat!
but dont forget to enjoy the concert too.

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Re: 1st time stealth recording
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2007, 08:32:23 AM »
Damien Rice is on The Archive, doesn't that mean he's taper-friendly?

http://www.archive.org/details/DamienRice

Policy notes are a bit lengthy though, apparently no unreleased songs.

Or maybe it's changed since 2004..

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Re: 1st time stealth recording
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2007, 10:02:53 AM »
you definitely dont want to be shusshing people, unless they need to be shusshed ... not for the recording purposes but for sheer annoyance.

standing still is good, but not "statuesque"
wear the mics at your temples on some glasses and position yourself dead center.  if your old and tired like me, then center mezz is great.  nice seat.  good acoustics.  great view.

pull the heat!
but dont forget to enjoy the concert too.

I agree with everything that Nick said.  Shusshing is just obnoxious...they paid their money too...and it's not going to keep people quiet anyway.  Besides, the more you shuush, the more you cause others to dislike the taping community.  This is one reason given for some bands that don't allow taping, because some tapers can be so obnoxious about it.  Obviously, I'm a taper and I've been enjoying a show with my friends and have had other tapers come along and try to tell me I had to be quiet...to which my response is that I usually talk louder.  I know that they're trying to pull good clean tapes, but that's just plain rude...so I reciprocate.  >:D  I'm not a born asshole, but I can be one in the company of others.   ;D

Regarding hat mounts, I agree that you don't need to stand statue-esque.  In stealth mode, there's simply no way you're going to elminate the background talking from the tape unless like Nick says you're on the balcony or someplace like that.  If you're standing in the crowd, inevitably 3 or 4 times during the show, someone will stop DEAD in front of you and start yakking about world peace.  I just move a little right or left as needed to try to minimize the yakking.  Generally, I find that my AT-853 omni's tend to minimize the talking pretty well everywhere but when the talking is directly between me and the stage, so it's not all that important for me to move away more than say 8 to 10 feet.  Course, alot depends on the volume of the stage performance.  The louder the music, the less you'll hear any talking regardless of where they are standing.

If you want as perfect as possible, then you probably need to stand generally facing the stage.  When you turn your head to stare at the boobs on the girl standing next to you, you'll hear the dynamics change in the recording.   Obviously, if you walk around the room or change your position much when you are trying to avoid talkers, you'll hear the dynamics change.

Another pretty obvious tip, but I like to get there early and use the sound of the warm-up band to tell me where would be a good place to stand for the main act.  Walk around and listen to the room in various locations.  Listen to not only the direct sound but how much reverb you're getting at any specific location.  For example, there is a venue that I used to go to in northern Va...the State Theater in Falls Church...which was a great place to watch a show but has absolutely terrible room dynamics.  To my ears, standing in front of the PA gave me far better recordings than FOB.
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Re: 1st time stealth recording
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2007, 12:13:10 PM »
If you want as perfect as possible, then you probably need to stand generally facing the stage.  When you turn your head to stare at the boobs on the girl standing next to you, you'll hear the dynamics change in the recording.

Words to live by -

More stage... less boobs.

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Re: 1st time stealth recording
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2007, 01:01:38 PM »
When stealthing, I always found that as long as I stood in a spot where it sounded good to my ears, I generally got a nice recording (somewhere near or in front of the soundboard is genearally a good spot)
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Re: 1st time stealth recording
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2007, 01:57:48 PM »

Words to live by -

More stage... less boobs.

Well, let's not get carried away!  I mean, the only time I ain't starin' at boobs is if my mics are on my hat!  I have my priorities!!!

Course, this doesn't prevent you from lifting the hat off your head, keeping it pointed at the stage (since mics are clipped to the bill of my hat) and checking the chicks out anyway.
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Re: 1st time stealth recording
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2007, 02:01:54 PM »
make sure to piss before the show starts, once the music begins it will be a little late to make a bathroom run; I also suggest standing somewhere where you are slightly higher in the room than everyone else, I have had very tall people walk in front of me when stealthing thus blocking the sound from the stacks for a second or two and it is very much audible in the recordings, center of the room if possible too

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Re: 1st time stealth recording
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2007, 02:16:18 PM »
make sure to piss before the show starts, once the music begins it will be a little late to make a bathroom run; I also suggest standing somewhere where you are slightly higher in the room than everyone else, I have had very tall people walk in front of me when stealthing thus blocking the sound from the stacks for a second or two and it is very much audible in the recordings, center of the room if possible too

VERY good suggestion...all it takes is one time and you remember this tip.  You also need to load up on your beers at the start because unless you got someone else runnin' for you, you aren't drinking AND pulling a good stealth tape. 

I'm taller than 98% of the people at shows, so I have the advantage of rarely being blocked, but I agree with the comment about being blocked out and having that affect your recording.  You can avoid that by nosing in a little closer to the stacks at the start so that even if Kareem walks by, you'll still get the direct sound from the stacks.  I've always felt that when stealthing in clubs it was more important to have a direct bead on the stacks than necessarily being directly FOB.

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Re: 1st time stealth recording
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2007, 05:01:30 PM »
may want to remember that this is a public forum and posting specifics ie artist date and venue has resulted in others being caught in the past


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Re: 1st time stealth recording
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2007, 05:58:53 PM »
i have had great success with stack taping and soundboard locations.  they say try to triagulate your distance with the stage.  But i see some say waht sound good to your ears.  I like that


 

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