Topic: Zoom & Tascam Live Mixer/Recorder Units (any experience out there?)

[Gutbucket]

Legacy F8 has a maximum per/channel input delay of 30ms. Not sure if the current F8Npro is the same.

A less than ideal solution, but possible to loop aux out into another pair of inputs to add an additional 30ms, at the cost of the additional A/D/A conversion, patch cable, and the loss of two of the eight inputs.

[billydee]

Legacy F8 has a maximum per/channel input delay of 30ms. Not sure if the current F8Npro is the same.

A less than ideal solution, but possible to loop aux out into another pair of inputs to add an additional 30ms, at the cost of the additional A/D/A conversion, patch cable, and the loss of two of the eight inputs.

Apparently the F8Npro has the same input delay spec per the Factory Sound website that came up in my online search.

I appreciate your thoughts on a potential workaround, but I'm really trying to keep all of this as simple as possible, and that solution feels like a bit too much. I find it both frustrating and interesting that both the Zoom F8 series, the F6 and at least some of SD MixPre recorders have a maximum 30ms delay.

Now if I could only find a way to get my FOH mics positioned 50% closer to the PA, I'd be golden. But that's not super likely in 2 of the 4 situations I encounter.

[capnhook]

Legacy F8 has a maximum per/channel input delay of 30ms. Not sure if the current F8Npro is the same.

A less than ideal solution, but possible to loop aux out into another pair of inputs to add an additional 30ms, at the cost of the additional A/D/A conversion, patch cable, and the loss of two of the eight inputs.

Apparently the F8Npro has the same input delay spec per the Factory Sound website that came up in my online search.

I appreciate your thoughts on a potential workaround, but I'm really trying to keep all of this as simple as possible, and that solution feels like a bit too much. I find it both frustrating and interesting that both the Zoom F8 series, the F6 and at least some of SD MixPre recorders have a maximum 30ms delay.

Now if I could only find a way to get my FOH mics positioned 50% closer to the PA, I'd be golden. But that's not super likely in 2 of the 4 situations I encounter.

Always been pining for a 6-channel machine, with at least 100mS delay.  Manufacturers are missing the boat.

[voltronic]

You can always add as much delay as you want in post.

[capnhook]

You can always add as much delay as you want in post.

I was referring to having enough delay for a live matrix, like what billydee is asking for.  30 mS isn't enough for our use.

[voltronic]

You can always add as much delay as you want in post.

I was referring to having enough delay for a live matrix, like what billydee is asking for.  30 mS isn't enough for our use.

I had missed the live streaming part of this.

[billydee]

I decided to grab the Zoom LiveTrak L12 L8 in spite of the input delay limitation. I feel I can make this unit work well for me when recording in an official capacity. That is, after I learn how to use it. 
Thanks mepaca and everyone else for chiming in with their thoughts and advice.
Wish me luck!

[morst]

I decided to grab the Zoom LiveTrak L12 in spite of the input delay limitation. I feel I can make this unit work well for me when recording in an official capacity. That is, after I learn how to use it. 
Thanks mepaca and everyone else for chiming in with their thoughts and advice.
Wish me luck!

gear is fun! You can always get a standalone outboard delay unit!


 

[capnhook]

I decided to grab the Zoom LiveTrak L12 in spite of the input delay limitation. I feel I can make this unit work well for me when recording in an official capacity. That is, after I learn how to use it. 
Thanks mepaca and everyone else for chiming in with their thoughts and advice.
Wish me luck!

gear is fun! You can always get a standalone outboard delay unit!


 

Here's the lowest-priced unit I found that could be portable, any more of them out there?


https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1721381-REG/vanco_pa_ads1_audio_delay_synchronizer.html/overview


20-340mS delay in 20mS steps, not too optimal for our use....bah

[morst]

I was thinking more like a 19" rack unit.
Here's a used TC multi-effects processor, with stereo XLR in and out... $175 but shipping is $40 from florida USA
https://reverb.com/item/66077380-tc-electronic-m-one-xl-24-bit-dual-engine-effects-processor?
https://www.tcelectronic.com/product.html?modelCode=P0CJT
I would have thought that those old things would be cheaper now, but even a Yamaha SPX-90 goes for money?

Anyone got old PA gear sitting around? I guess it held its value!?