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Need to record the line-out output (1/4") from the soundboard, to the "mic" input on my digital-recorder. Would a simple adapter (1/4" to 1/8") work correctly? What else would I need to be able to record without interference? Thank you for any input.
Pictured: Microphone, Soundboard with Line-out, Digital Recorder with Mic input.
- KrossXC
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Need to record the line-out output (1/4") from the soundboard, to the "mic" input on my digital-recorder. Would a simple adapter (1/4" to 1/8") work correctly? What else would I need to be able to record without interference? Thank you for any input.
Pictured: Microphone, Soundboard with Line-out, Digital Recorder with Mic input.
- KrossXC
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Is this a trick question :) "Need to record the line-out output (1/4") from the soundboard, to the "mic" input on my digital-recorder"
Not a good idea.. You need to go line output of your mixer into the LINE INPUT of your recorder even if you do have a line input you may still need to attenuate or greatly reduce the level. If you cant do that you will need an attenuator of at least 40 db maybe more to avoid overloading that mic input.
Mic input expects a -50 to -30 db signal, Line input Pro expects +4 Line input consumer -10 db I would say that mixer is going to be -10 your recorders mic input will be overloaded quite easily unless you can turn down the level substantially before it gets to your recorder. Turning down on the recorder it self will not help in this situation as you will most likely overload the first stage amp long before you can bring down the volume with the record level on your recorder.
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so basically.. that recorder won't work cause it only has a "mic" input.
Can you recommend a recorder I could use to digitally record from the line-out of that soundboard? Could I use a 1/4 to 1/8 into a laptops 1/8 input? Or should I buy another recorder? Eventually, the goal is to produce video of these lectures, but we are starting with getting the audio correct first, and making it available until we raise the funds for video as well.
- KrossXC
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so basically.. that recorder won't work cause it only has a "mic" input.
Can you recommend a recorder I could use to digitally record from the line-out of that soundboard? Could I use a 1/4 to 1/8 into a laptops 1/8 input? Or should I buy another recorder? Eventually, the goal is to produce video of these lectures, but we are starting with getting the audio correct first, and making it available until we raise the funds for video as well.
- KrossXC
If your goal is to produce video of these lectures and you are only using one camera get a camera that has the ability to take a line input. Most of these cameras are expensive.. The other cheaper option would be to dump the audio into a computer not a laptop.. I have never had good luck with laptop recording.. Get a card like a M-audio FAST TRACK PRO and go 1/4 to 1/4 in. You just have to use a time slate for the beginning of the video and audio to be able to sync it up on the computer in editing. Or like I said get a camera with line inputs.. I dont know anything about cameras but I know there are lots of people here that do.
Chris
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Eventually we will, but for now..
I simply need the cheapest option to record the audio from the line-out on the soundboard. Is there a cheaper recorder that has line-in?
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Tascam DR-07 will do everything you need it to, and will be much MUCH better quality than that digital voice recorder you currently have.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/599284-REG/Tascam_DR_07_DR_07_Portable_Digital_Audio.html
The other option would be a Microtrack II, though it is pricier. It has two TRS inputs, so you could go straight from your soundboard into the recorder without the Y cable. Just make sure to get TRS cables when using it and not TS.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/515484-REG/M_Audio_9900_52278_00_MicroTrack_II_Professional.html
Personally I'd go with the Tascam.
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perfect. I'm going to order it tonight, then I'll just need a 1/4" to 3.5" adapter cable, correct?
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Correct.
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I forgot to mention, youll also need an SD card to record to. These can be found for very cheap at any electronics store/Wal Mart.
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want to make sure this is right, before I order it: ordering these two things...
http://amzn.to/hzbsuI
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http://amzn.to/i9LjUq
correct?
- Kross
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want to make sure this is right, before I order it: ordering these two things...
http://amzn.to/hzbsuI
and
http://amzn.to/i9LjUq
correct?
- Kross
The recorder is right, but you want this cable: http://www.amazon.com/Hosa-CMP159-Stereo-8In-Mono/dp/B000068O3C/ref=sr_1_2?s=musical-instruments&ie=UTF8&qid=1293053421&sr=1-2
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?? There are attenuator patch cords that can do this--they go from an (unbalanced) line output to an (unbalanced) mike-level input via resistors that are built into the cable. The attenuation is usually about 50 dB.
Why are people trying to get this person to buy a new recorder? Did I overlook something? (It's been known to happen.)
--best regards
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?? There are attenuator patch cords that can do this--they go from an (unbalanced) line output to an (unbalanced) mike-level input via resistors that are built into the cable. The attenuation is usually about 50 dB.
Why are people trying to get this person to buy a new recorder? Did I overlook something? (It's been known to happen.)
--best regards
I think the general consensus was the recorder he was using just wasn't that great. I could definitely see your suggestion as better since he wants to upgrade this system later anyway, why buy a recorder when a different cable would "make due" for now? I think you're right- for now just get the attenuated cable.
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depends on whose money it is, I suppose...?
Privately of professionally funded I mean...
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Why are people trying to get this person to buy a new recorder? Did I overlook something? (It's been known to happen.)
I've learned a ton from reading your posts, but from the picture he posted it looks like his recorder is a $50 Sony voice recorder. If this is true, wouldn't you agree he should get a better recorder?
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?? There are attenuator patch cords that can do this--they go from an (unbalanced) line output to an (unbalanced) mike-level input via resistors that are built into the cable. The attenuation is usually about 50 dB.
Why are people trying to get this person to buy a new recorder? Did I overlook something? (It's been known to happen.)
--best regards
Care to link me to such a cable? preferably amazon.com link.
Thanks for the effort and possibly saving me some cash.
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depending on the price of the attenuater cable this recorder at $60 MIGHT be better deal.
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depending on the price of the attenuater cable this recorder at $60 MIGHT be better deal.
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Thanks Bugg, I'll PM him tomorrow about the deal.
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wanted to post the back of the soundboard.
I will decide in next couple of days what route I am going to record. Most like leaning towards purchasing the new recorder, unless I can figure out what cable to order for my existing sony recorder.
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I'm going with the cable and the Tascam DR07.
Can someone direct me, where to plug this in, in the soundboard? any settings I need to know about? I will take some pics after class on Sunday of the hookup. Thanks so far, all this info has been extremely helpful.
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Could you post a picture of the back of the board that doesn't look like it was taken through a frosted window? :P
Guys, wouldn't it be easier if he got a stereo RCA to 1/8 and used the "Tape Out" of his soundboard?
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really would like a definitive answer. I'm ok with ordering those two things.. unless someone thinks there is a better/cheaper solution?
btw, I'll post another pic in next couple of days
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I have used this mixer. There should be one of the sets of RCA that say "rec out."I would use RCA to 1/8" like Evan suggested. Best option is to do that as that output is made for this exact function. This cable: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10218&cs_id=1021804&p_id=5597&seq=1&format=2 will actually be your best option for this mixer. Sorry I didn't think about that before!
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RCA to 1/8" would be my vote.
But just because it hasn't been mentioned (yet / or I missed it), you could do the 1/4" to a headphone preamp and attenuate it there. You'll have to set the headphone out really really low. Or if the mixer has such an output, with knob, use it. Not ideal as you'll have to run at about 0.5 of 10 on the volume output(5%, maybe 10%). Also vulnerable to cell phone handshakes once you get to the thin cables and unbalanced output like that. But the RCA cable will also be vulnerable. Assuming that the little plastic voice recorder isn't also vulnerable. And depending on the quality that you need / want. Lots of options to get something. Depending on what you have versus what you need. And what compromises you can live with. And if you have any time / option to do any trail and error beforehand.
When I need something cheap, I generally take the headphone out and turn the volume way down. But that's mainly a content over quality scenario. Which is far from an common or ideal circumstance. But for judges tapes when no one seems to own a tape player anymore. An option.
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I have used this mixer. There should be one of the sets of RCA that say "rec out."I would use RCA to 1/8" like Evan suggested. Best option is to do that as that output is made for this exact function. This cable: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10218&cs_id=1021804&p_id=5597&seq=1&format=2 will actually be your best option for this mixer. Sorry I didn't think about that before!
You are suggesting using the Tascam DR07, with this cable. Correct?
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I have used this mixer. There should be one of the sets of RCA that say "rec out."I would use RCA to 1/8" like Evan suggested. Best option is to do that as that output is made for this exact function. This cable: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10218&cs_id=1021804&p_id=5597&seq=1&format=2 will actually be your best option for this mixer. Sorry I didn't think about that before!
You are suggesting using the Tascam DR07, with this cable. Correct?
Yes that would work well.
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Go with the RCA to 1/8 to your Tascam. Should work like a charm. Plug the RCA cables into the Rec Out (or tape out..whatever your mixer has..same thing.) and you'll be good to go. :)
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/ordered
Will post audio sample in 8 days, after next class. Thanks to all.
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Got it...
tomorrow is go-time! I PM'd 12milluz, but thought I'd ask everyone:
is there anything else I need to do besides plug this into the "rec out" RCA's in the back-of-the-mixer. Is there any settings or volume-out knobs I need to mess with?
VERY excited about tomorrow. Thanks to all of you for your help/guidance
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Nothing you really need to mess with before plugging it in. Just have your recorder set to record from the Line Input, plug it in and record. Of course you'll want to set your levels by speaking into the microphone (or whatever else you're using it for) and listening or watching the levels and setting them accordingly. The Tascam is capable of recording in 24bit mode...but if you're just recording lectures than I'd set it to 16bit. You'll have more recording time and you won't really notice a change in the quality.
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Nothing you really need to mess with before plugging it in. Just have your recorder set to record from the Line Input, plug it in and record. Of course you'll want to set your levels by speaking into the microphone (or whatever else you're using it for) and listening or watching the levels and setting them accordingly. The Tascam is capable of recording in 24bit mode...but if you're just recording lectures than I'd set it to 16bit. You'll have more recording time and you won't really notice a change in the quality.
Yep, but I suggested to him to run in 24bit as long as memory card space is not an issue since you can run the levels more conservatively and boost volume in post.