Topic: Sony PCM-M10 (part V)

[ScoobieKW]

This thread is now so long I'm not sure if anyone else has posted this
FYI:

http://kenrockwell.com/audio/sony/pcm-m10.htm#perf

this guy usually posts about photo gear (his main work backround is in pro video sales and design).  His post on the M-10 is generally appreciative, but since he's proud of not having read the manual, he makes a few mistakes about usage and features (e.g. he praises the 'true - spaced pair - stereo'.

I include the link because he used some decent pro test gear to make some measurements that may be useful or of interest to other users here. 

TG

Ken is in the business of page views. His photo reviews are as inaccurate as the M-10 review. In general, he's become a bit of joke among experienced photographers. That said, he praises an excellent recorder.

[it-goes-to-eleven]

I can't disagree with those comments about Ken's content.  However, his gear pages are sometimes useful and they are at least uncluttered and generally to the point.

I actually think some of the test results on the m10 were quite useful.  Particularly the test data on the gain structure.  The bit about changing channel balance was interesting.  I do wonder if he actually did the tests or if it was more of a placement piece.  It would be interesting to see some of the tests compare 16 vs. 24 bit.

[udovdh]

I can't disagree with those comments about Ken's content.  However, his gear pages are sometimes useful and they are at least uncluttered and generally to the point.

I actually think some of the test results on the m10 were quite useful.  Particularly the test data on the gain structure.  The bit about changing channel balance was interesting.  I do wonder if he actually did the tests or if it was more of a placement piece.  It would be interesting to see some of the tests compare 16 vs. 24 bit.

I can agree here. What do we think about the 16-bit statement?

[ilduclo]

not sure if anyone else is having problems with their new Sonys like me, but please let me know if so, my d50 is freezing up, nothing happening until I pull the battery pack and reinsert it. Either will not start recording or will not stop. I'm thinking its something internally wrong with the locking function. Only 2 years old and light usage. Sony not a lot of help, other than "send it in and minimum charge to even look at it is "    THERE IS A ONE-HOUR DIAGNOSTIC CHARGE OF $135  PLUS RETURN SHIPPING AND SALES TAX FOR DECLINED ESTIMATES"--pretty dickish, IMO

[ScoobieKW]

A bench fee for a non-warranty repair is not unreasonable. $135 is on the high side. And they want you to pay for shipping back if you choose not to purchase their services.

Not too unreasonable, but not among my favorite customer service policies.

My favorites.
Shure - Flat fee based on the piece of equipment. You know exactly what it will cost up front.

Yamaha - The M7CL-48 boards ran into issues 6-7 years ago where they would lock up during outdoor shows in the sun. 120+ degrees F type conditions. This was outside the M7CL's operating specs. They gave us two options. One, send it back to them for a free retrofit. Two, let them send you the parts for the retrofit, and Yamaha would pay you to perform the labor. Mind you this was for a component that was still operating within design specs.

[todd e]

new member here - plan to run the schoeps vms02ib (via BNC > 1/8") into the line-in of the m10.
what a TINY device/rig now, soo thrilled. 

what are folks doing to preserve the actual case, preventing damage? 
anyone getting the neoprene sleeve or the sony 'box' that is sold on ebay?



please ignore my crude drawing, mearly a picture for size

[audBall]

what are folks doing to preserve the actual case, preventing damage? 
anyone getting the neoprene sleeve or the sony 'box' that is sold on ebay?

I think a lot of us are using small camera cases.  I'm using the Lowepro Ridge 20 (the 30 provides a little more room), which fits the recorder like a glove and has room for memory cards and a few batteries.  I got it for under $10 at a sports retail store.  I refuse to buy the Sony box since it was originally offered free with the purchase and I bought mine too late.   

[Javier Cinakowski]

I use a lowepro GPS case.  Fits like a glove and the zipper is as such that it can be shut almost completely, just leaving the line-in/mic-in open (or the headphone)

[F.O.Bean]

I, too, use a small LowePro camera case, with a front panel to hold cards

[stevetoney]

please ignore my crude drawing

I'm trying to Todd, but it's such a piece of art!   

[F.O.Bean]

I LOVE My M10 so much, I now have 2 of them[red/black], You will LOVE ITS SIMPLICITY Todd You might even buy a 2nd one and run 4 chan like me I just need a preamp for my Busman BSC2's now and I'm all set to run 4 channel!

[todd e]

I LOVE My M10 so much, I now have 2 of them[red/black], You will LOVE ITS SIMPLICITY Todd You might even buy a 2nd one and run 4 chan like me I just need a preamp for my Busman BSC2's now and I'm all set to run 4 channel!

how in the world are you running 4ch? 

as much as i've read, no time-code or clock to slave off of, so just two rigs or one for sbd and one for aud?

[F.O.Bean]

I LOVE My M10 so much, I now have 2 of them[red/black], You will LOVE ITS SIMPLICITY Todd You might even buy a 2nd one and run 4 chan like me I just need a preamp for my Busman BSC2's now and I'm all set to run 4 channel!

how in the world are you running 4ch? 

as much as i've read, no time-code or clock to slave off of, so just two rigs or one for sbd and one for aud?

I run mk41>Sonosax>M10 & Busman BSC2 Actives>?>M10. Just need a preamp for the Busmans. And I have NO PLANS of matrixing the 2 sources together, so [2] M10's was the bet route for me

[todd e]

I LOVE My M10 so much, I now have 2 of them[red/black], You will LOVE ITS SIMPLICITY Todd You might even buy a 2nd one and run 4 chan like me I just need a preamp for my Busman BSC2's now and I'm all set to run 4 channel!

how in the world are you running 4ch? 

as much as i've read, no time-code or clock to slave off of, so just two rigs or one for sbd and one for aud?

I run mk41>Sonosax>M10 & Busman BSC2 Actives>?>M10. Just need a preamp for the Busmans. And I have NO PLANS of matrixing the 2 sources together, so [2] M10's was the bet route for me

scratches head?  one of them should produce better results everytime, right?  ;-)

[NOLAfishwater]

please ignore my crude drawing

I'm trying to Todd, but it's such a piece of art!   

at least he got it in the right hole