Topic: Are you kidding me???

[Sanjay]

http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/auc.pl?accstwek&1177040235&1176913439

Pebbles to place on your interconnects to reduce noise?

http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/auc.pl?accstwek&1177040350&1176913439

Clocks that you place anywhere in the room to make the sound better?


Are people who are into high end audio also retards?  Talk about a load of BS.

[Church-Audio]

http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/auc.pl?accstwek&1177040235&1176913439

Pebbles to place on your interconnects to reduce noise?

http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/auc.pl?accstwek&1177040350&1176913439

Clocks that you place anywhere in the room to make the sound better?


Are people who are into high end audio also retards?  Talk about a load of BS.

You forgot about the MAGIC AC wall covers... LOL.... I am in the wrong business.

Chris

[Shawn]

machina dynamica is the worst company I know if when it comes to praying on the small minds of a certain portion of the audiophile market. Every product they sell is complete BS.

for more Audiophile Idiocy check this link...
http://www.ilikejam.dsl.pipex.com/audiophile.htm

[RebelRebel]

and from PWB Electronics, the folks that originally developed the clever clock.....

[Shawn]

and from PWB Electronics, the folks that originally developed the clever clock.....

teddy please tell me this site is a joke.

[stirinthesauce]

and from PWB Electronics, the folks that originally developed the clever clock.....

I thought I had heard it all, until I read this. 


Next up on idiocacy,

Place a hot steaming mass of dog poo, preferebly from a doberman but a boxer is also nice, on top of your speakers.  Listen, then remove steaming mass.  You will notice smoother mids and silkier highs.  Make sure the mass is steaming, as a cold or slightly stiff mass will give you a sloppy bottom end.

[RebelRebel]

sadly, no it isnt..

and from PWB Electronics, the folks that originally developed the clever clock.....

teddy please tell me this site is a joke.

[Shawn]

if I believed someone was delusional, and wanted to run experiements to find out exactly how delusional they were. I'd suggest that they do exactly this type of stuff.

[Church-Audio]

Guys this stuff works my soundstage is so much better now that I have my magic crystals! I dont know what I would have done with out them. I am going to upgrade all of my outlets in the house to the "magic" wallplate next. I am sure my toaster will have a much darker background with the new sound enhancing AC wall plate installed.

[janka]

The magic crystals are over-hyped. I gotten much better results using organic sea-salt. Unlike the crystal it does need to be matched to the recordings. So if something was recorded on the west coast use pacific salt, east coast use atlantic. Most music from the midwest works well with a mixture of both. I experimented with Gulf Coast salt but it seemed to make the lowend muddy. Honestly, it's the best hundred dollar tweak I've found. PM me if interested in placing an order. For a limited time USPS priority mail shipping is only $45. For you persian music lovers Caspian Sea and Persian Gulf salt can be special ordered for double the cost.

[Colin Liston]

The magic crystals are over-hyped. I gotten much better results using organic sea-salt. Unlike the crystal it does need to be matched to the recordings. So if something was recorded on the west coast use pacific salt, east coast use atlantic. Most music from the midwest works well with a mixture of both. I experimented with Gulf Coast salt but it seemed to make the lowend muddy. Honestly, it's the best hundred dollar tweak I've found. PM me if interested in placing an order. For a limited time USPS priority mail shipping is only $45. For you persian music lovers Caspian Sea and Persian Gulf salt can be special ordered for double the cost.

Is it possible to get Dead Sea Salt?  I've heard that is much better.

[Nick's Picks]

yes it is.  i've got some hand cream made w/it.
awesome stuff.

[carlbeck]

yes it is.  i've got some hand cream made w/it.
awesome stuff.

Are you sure you use that stuff for your HANDS? 

[pfife]

I've discovered that my playback system sounds much better when the lawn is mowed.

[Shawn]

I've discovered that my playback system sounds much better when the lawn is mowed.

that's because you don't have to crank it up to try to drown out your wife's bithcing about the lawn not being mowed.

[Church-Audio]

Should we start a team called team mock-u-phile?? or team  we-know-it-acutally-does-not-work-phile?
The goal of the team could be to find as much silly shit on the internet as possible and simply make fun of it? what say you all?

[joekar]

No one has ever lost money betting against the stupidity of the american public........or as P.T. Barnum once said...."There's a sucker born every minute"

Peace,
jk

[Church-Audio]

No one has ever lost money betting against the stupidity of the american public........or as P.T. Barnum once said...."There's a sucker born every minute"

Peace,
jk

Oh its not just a US thing we have just as many stupid products in Canada too..

[George]

Two years ago I attended the stereophile show in midtown Manhattan.  I was checking out various rooms with speaker rigs and walked into one room that had some mobile fidelity speakers setup.  So I asked one of the two spokespeople if they could play a cd for me, "sure no problem" the man by the souce replied.  So as he went to place the cd on the tray, he placed this little white sleeve on top of it, I started laughing and asked him very sarcastically whats that audio voodoo and do they think it actually works, he claimed his friend thought it did      I got a good chuckle out of it, they seemed minorly amused by my reaction...I bet they thought I was an audio noob. 

LOL...I'll never understand that kind of crap, pebbles to hold up wires, interconnects that are as thick as a python and $3000 power cords.  It's nuts.  I have a quail power cord, I paid like $8 for it, just for the heck of it.  Do I notice a difference?  Nope.  Too many tangibles when you live in an apartment that's still wired to fuses.  In terms of sound reproduction, I think speakers make the most difference, then the source.  Cables?  Eh, dunno...I do own a pair of cardas interconnects that cost me a pretty penny but I think I should sell them off...I just don't hear a difference and they are not very flexible.

[tim in jersey]

The magic crystals are over-hyped. I gotten much better results using organic sea-salt. Unlike the crystal it does need to be matched to the recordings. So if something was recorded on the west coast use pacific salt, east coast use atlantic. Most music from the midwest works well with a mixture of both. I experimented with Gulf Coast salt but it seemed to make the lowend muddy. Honestly, it's the best hundred dollar tweak I've found. PM me if interested in placing an order. For a limited time USPS priority mail shipping is only $45. For you persian music lovers Caspian Sea and Persian Gulf salt can be special ordered for double the cost.

Agreed.

But stay away from the salt-peter crystals. They'll leave your head unit sounding lifeless and limp.

On the other hand they are good at keeping your speakers from being blown.

[cshepherd]

No one has ever lost money betting against the stupidity of the american public........or as P.T. Barnum once said...."There's a sucker born every minute"

Peace,
jk

Oh its not just a US thing we have just as many stupid products in Canada too..

Canadian beer for example...

[Church-Audio]

No one has ever lost money betting against the stupidity of the american public........or as P.T. Barnum once said...."There's a sucker born every minute"

Peace,
jk

Oh its not just a US thing we have just as many stupid products in Canada too..

Canadian beer for example...

Hey what about Canadian beer???  hey Chris are you even old enough to drink?  I gave you a +T for being funny. We all know Canadian beer is better. 

[Sanjay]

I don't kow about that chris...

I do enjoy moosehead, sleemans honey brown, and the niagara honey brown.

Too bad I can't find any of it down in DC.

[Church-Audio]

I don't kow about that chris...

I do enjoy moosehead, sleemans honey brown, and the niagara honey brown.

Too bad I can't find any of it down in DC.

I am kidding. I actually like a lot of American beer.

[cshepherd]

Out here in the northwest, 5% is considered a light beer.  I think my dog could drink a six pack of Canada's best.  That is if he doesn't turn is nose up at it.    

Is beer in Canada even three percent?

Chris

[Church-Audio]

Out here in the northwest, 5% is considered a light beer.  I think my dog could drink a six pack of Canada's best.  That is if he doesn't turn is nose up at it.    

Is beer in Canada even three percent?

Chris

Ouch.... How do you really feel about Canadian beer?


I think most beer in Canada is 5-8%

[cshepherd]

I'm just kidding...my dog likes Canadian beer.  To bring this all back around,  I've read that certain crystals like Silicon Oxide, Tourmaline, Peridot and Microcystalline Quartz (and probably others) naturally release negative-ions which effect the electron flow.  Theoretically, the magic crystals are a form of passive ac line filtering.  I don't have the full story.  I'm not saying I believe it.  I am trying to find some research documentation that at least further explains this but have not found any as of yet.  As strange as it may seem, there might be some validity to the magic crystals you guys love to make fun of.  The theory of orderly electron flow in the ac line positively affecting a system's performance is not new.  I will post more info as I find it. 

Chris

[cshepherd]

I was thinking...you guys should call it "Team Flat Earth Society".

Chris

[Church-Audio]

I was thinking...you guys should call it "Team Flat Earth Society".

Chris

Or how about team "waste your money" 

[cshepherd]

If you're talking about Mogami wire, then yes.

Chris

[Church-Audio]

If you're talking about Mogami wire, then yes.

Chris

I like mogami wire I think its good stuff. I am sure there is better cable out there but for microphones its pretty good not to many companies make thin lav cable. Do you know of any other companies that are around the same price?

Chris

[cshepherd]

Chris,
+T for not taking this seriously.  Just a little vendor smack talk...that's all.  I've looked for a small diameter shielded interconnect and couldn't find it.  The smallest (reasonably priced) interconnect I have access to has a 4 mm diameter.

Chris

[Church-Audio]

Chris,
+T for not taking this seriously.  Just a little vendor smack talk...that's all.  I've looked for a small diameter shielded interconnect and couldn't find it.  The smallest (reasonably priced) interconnect I have access to has a 4 mm diameter.

Chris

That's not to bad I sometimes sell interconnects for my preamp to a recorder. I could use that stuff for that. How many conductors? and whats the cost like per foot?

Send me a pm. If you dont mind giving me the source. I have good prices on Connectors.

[Church-Audio]

Sanjay sorry for the thread Hyjack...


We can now continue with making fun of some of this audiophile stuff..

[Nick's Picks]

I've discovered that my playback system sounds much better when the lawn is mowed.

"thats what she said..."

[Nick's Picks]

this is almost starting to sound like a new religion?


fwiw..I like Canadian beer.  Love LaBatts in the summer. 

[bobbygeeWOW]

Ouch! With the plethora of fantastic brews available all over Canada, please disregard the factory mass-produced beers of labatts, molson and friends as existing. Otherwise I'll just have to go enjoy a fine tin of Coors Light the next time I'm down in the US Northwest. 

[Nick's Picks]

I know not of fantastic canadian brews.  they just dont make it down this way...and I boarder the freakin' country!

[bobbygeeWOW]

yeah it figures that only the mass-beers get exported.
Sort of like Canadians think american beer is just coors and bud:
Clearly its high time to cross that border in your backyard and meet the neighbors!

(and drink their beer..)

[Nick's Picks]

indeed.
although, every time I go to Canada, i'm so far in the woods fishin' that beer is just not around.

[bobbygeeWOW]

That's the way to do it man! +T
But without beer  Never heard of such a thing.
Are all americans like that? 

[wheresjerry]

I've discovered that my playback system sounds much better when the lawn is mowed.

My music ALWAYS sounds better after I smoked the grass!   

[janka]

That's the way to do it man! +T
But without beer  Never heard of such a thing.
Are all americans like that? 

Certainly not. I'm not sure how one would fish without beer or why.   

[Church-Audio]

That's the way to do it man! +T
But without beer  Never heard of such a thing.
Are all americans like that? 

Certainly not. I'm not sure how one would fish without beer or why.   

I can think of one good reason... If you boat in Canada and you Drink you get a DUI and your drivers licence gets suspended for anywhere from 90days to forever... depending on how many times you get caught and you also have a nice fat auto insurance increase.. 

[janka]

 Any amount of drinking? In the states you must be drunk, ie. over the legal limit, to be charged with DUI. I personally don't always associate drinking beer with getting drunk. Moderation can be your friend.

[Church-Audio]

Any amount of drinking? In the states you must be drunk, ie. over the legal limit, to be charged with DUI. I personally don't always associate drinking beer with getting drunk. Moderation can be your friend.

Here is some uptodate info on the subject of drinking and boating in Ontario
Ontario Ups Ante for Impaired Boating
July 3, 2006



A conviction for impaired driving of a motorboat in Ontario will now result in the suspension of your driver's licence. The Ontario government on June 22 amended the law to extend the penalties for drunk driving on the road to boaters convicted of driving while impaired or with excess alcohol.

As a result, a first conviction for impaired boating will result in a one-year suspension of your driver's licence. To get your licence reinstated you will have to pay $150 and enrol in the Ministry of Transportation's Back on Track driver rehabilitation program (cost: $503.50). And when you're licence is reinstated, you'll have to use an ignition interlock device in your car for at least a year (cost: over $1,000).

Criminal Code penalties, including jail and fines, will continue to apply to those found guilty of driving a motor boat while impaired.

Immediate licence suspensions kick in
Under the new amendments, the Highway Traffic Act of Ontario also now authorizes marine police to suspend your driver's licence for 12 hours if you blow between 50 and 80 mgs in 100 ml of blood, that is under the legal limit. If you blow over 80 mgs, your licence will be suspended immediately for 90 days. The amendments do not apply to canoes or sailboats.

The latest amendments add to provincial laws that already restrict the combination of boats and booze. Under the Liquor Licence Act of Ontario it is an offence to consume alcohol in a moving boat (including sailboats and canoes) unless a licence or permit allows you to do so. Without a licence or permit, you cannot consume alcohol on a boat even if it's stationary unless the boat is a "private place".

For a boat to be considered a "private place" it must have permanent sleeping accommodation and permanent cooking and sanitary facilities. It also must be at anchor or secured to a dock or land and the public must not be invited or be permitted access to it.

Further, unless you have a licence or permit, it is illegal to carry alcohol on a boat unless it is sealed or stowed in a closed container.


I got this info here at this site...
http://www.defencelaw.com/impaired_boating.html

[janka]

Wow those are some stiff regulations. Shocked that they even apply to canoeing.

[bobbygeeWOW]

"Marine Police"  ?? Bizarre.  I have never heard of such a thing in the west, or on the ocean.

Must be some reaction to a situation with bazillions of drunken non-marine people in power boats blasting around like morons in heavily populated vacation spots causing havok. I know Ontario has something like 250,000 lakes, so you'd really have to look for a spot that is patrolled by "marine police" and then somehow stand out to attract such a fine.

[Church-Audio]

"Marine Police"  ?? Bizarre.  I have never heard of such a thing in the west, or on the ocean.

Must be some reaction to a situation with bazillions of drunken non-marine people in power boats blasting around like morons in heavily populated vacation spots causing havok. I know Ontario has something like 250,000 lakes, so you'd really have to look for a spot that is patrolled by "marine police" and then somehow stand out to attract such a fine.

I dont think this applies to Western Canada... You guys have drive thru beer stores But in Ontario this is the law. I doubt they would be able to enforce this on a ocean.. That would be a Canadian Coast Guard duty.. I also think that no to many guys are dumb enough to be driving a small fishing boat on an ocean ether hehe But you never know....

Chris

[bobbygeeWOW]

Well I can't think of a funny segue back to the original topic gasping at ludicrously flakey audiophile gear.
....which may not be such a bad thing..   

..so I'll apologize now for enthusiastically hyjacking the thread when beer was mentioned.
Mr Shephard, one of the highlights of any trip I make down to the NW is your fine hopping of ales. 

(Chris, boat size is directly related to the weather and how far you intend on going  )

[Church-Audio]

Well I can't think of a funny segue back to the original topic gasping at ludicrously flakey audiophile gear.
....which may not be such a bad thing..   

..so I'll apologize now for enthusiastically hyjacking the thread when beer was mentioned.
Mr Shephard, one of the highlights of any trip I make down to the NW is your fine hopping of ales. 

(Chris, boat size is directly related to the weather and how far you intend on going  )

Ok lets get back to making fun of products..

Here are some fine examples of "ABS"

http://www.soundstage.com/synergize/synergize041999.htm

http://www.shunmook.com/text1.htm



HIGH END
BULLSHIT GENERATOR for AUDIOPHILE MAGAZINE WRITERS


 http://www.tech-diy.com/audio_bs.htm
 
"AUDIOPHILE QUOTES"

"Pulling harmonics together from a jumbled auditory stream to form a coherent harmonic envelope."

"Image outlines were sharply focused in space with believable palpability."

"There was plenty of bass detail to behold."

"The music flows with gusto and verve. It squeezes instrumental images into incredibly palpable outlines."

"...more muscle and definition, and a heart that is pure gold."

"Most preamps when pushed hard change their sonic signature."

"Harmonic colors were somewhat on the dark side."

"By using the $450 gold plated RCA stereo jumper cables for all line-level connections, and the newly available $1200 gold plated XYZ speaker wires, we were able to achieve a distinct improvement in highs and the deepest rich bass lows I have ever heard. A massive improvement over ordinary old copper."

"These cables deliver big time! The sound is surprsingly smooth and spacious, with particularly sweet upper octaves."

"If you connect a ground to the chassis of your power amplifer and use 4 gauge wire connected to a bucket of salt water with a copper coil in it, your mids and highs will be the sweetest you have ever heard. Works with car audio systems too. Place the bucket in the trunk and reduce speed on corners and when braking, to avoid spillage."

"Special wooden resonator disks made in Asia from a special tree, only found in one area. Placing these under EACH of your components, at strategic locations will remove 'unwanted resonances', and DRAMATIC improval tonal quality. The difference is astounding. These disks of wood sell for around $100 to $400 EACH (depending on size)."

"somewhat fuzzy portrayal of image outlines."

"Harmonic textures ebbed and flowed with startling dynamic nuances and the sort of liquidity and purity one only comes to associate with world-class audio products."

"Harmonic textures are painted slightly gray in color."

"Spatial detail was painted with a fine brush that readily resolved massed voices and the air around individual instruments."

"Image outlines, however, are more precisely focused within the soundstage and in general the Accordance is capable of sketching out a convincing 3-D acoustic impression."

"It felt like I had crawled into a warm and inviting sonic womb."

"Not content with straight S.E.X. (the single-ended experimenter's kit), the Doctor introduces the "69" tapered pipe loudspeaker. Sounds like a recipe for a mind-blowing sonic orgasm."

"The impression of speed and control was strong."

"Bass lines were fleshed out with excellent definition."

"It is less lush sounding than..."

"...force feeding the listener an earful of detail; more accurately, a barrage of in-your-face zingers that becomes almost an instant irritant."

"Each tube brand seems to have a unique flavor of its own."

"Certain busy passages of music get congested."

"... sounds either euphonic or bright."

"The Equilibre ($8,475) - nominally a 60-watt stereo amp."

"It could well explain the sweet sounds that come from using passive preamps straight into the power amplifiers."

"...with an easy-to-drive impedance magnitude."

"Rendition of harmonic colors was suave and smooth, with a believable sugar coating."

"Exposure of low-level detail, even in complex passages, without leaving anything to the imagination."

"The mids are vivid in spades with wave after wave of honey-coated harmonic bliss."

"The midbass region is "fun"

"the upper mids are a bit more laid back than I would like."

"the low bottom end is not there..."

[Church-Audio]

I just did not want to see this thread die I just could not sit by and watch another good opportunity for a laugh to pass me by so here it is......

For $286 you get whats in the picture! WOW A EXTENTION CORD! I can build one with these parts minus the really small cable for $20.00

I am in the wrong business. I should make extension cords for a living I can get some fancy cable made for me for about $1000 and re sell 100 feet of it for like $10,000 WOW Now that's what I call markup! Then I can go down to my local hardware store and buy the "good connectors" and a set of screwdrivers and a wire stripper and I am setup! Dam that's a lot cheaper then all the gear I have to make microphones with..



 EDIT: I am not going to name the company that makes this LOL

  - Hubbell 4-Plex 15A Hospital-grade outlet.
  - Hubbell 15A Hospital-grade 8215 AC plug.
  - GutWire Twin 16 AWG AC cable.
  - No a/c line conditioning, only a/c distribution.
  Price: $286

[Invisible]

A few weeks ago when the link about the rainbow foil was posted by Mr. Church, I read the entire page then requested a sample from the company. I had completely forgotten about it until today when I received an e-mail from P.W.B. telling me that my free sample of their "rainbow electret foil" was on it's way to me.

[RebelRebel]

That is gutwire, i believe. They actually make some really nice products(build-wise)
..in terms of cost, they are a LOT more reasonable than many other "esoteric" brands out there.

I am using a couple of their interconnects at the moment. I dont have 10,000.00 to spend on wire, so Gutwire is a good compromise for me. I still remain very, very skeptical about "magic" products, but do believe in good components(amps/preamps/ADC/DAC/cables/mics/etc), things that have logic and science behind them..

I just did not want to see this thread die I just could not sit by and watch another good opportunity for a laugh to pass me by so here it is......

For $286 you get whats in the picture! WOW A EXTENTION CORD! I can build one with these parts minus the really small cable for $20.00

I am in the wrong business. I should make extension cords for a living I can get some fancy cable made for me for about $1000 and re sell 100 feet of it for like $10,000 WOW Now that's what I call markup! Then I can go down to my local hardware store and buy the "good connectors" and a set of screwdrivers and a wire stripper and I am setup! Dam that's a lot cheaper then all the gear I have to make microphones with..



 EDIT: I am not going to name the company that makes this LOL

  - Hubbell 4-Plex 15A Hospital-grade outlet.
  - Hubbell 15A Hospital-grade 8215 AC plug.
  - GutWire Twin 16 AWG AC cable.
  - No a/c line conditioning, only a/c distribution.
  Price: $286

[roggae]

Works with car audio systems too. Place the bucket in the trunk and reduce speed on corners and when braking, to avoid spillage.

Holy cow, that is funny...