w/o quoting, i find it funny that the later replies included wanting to hear a ROCK band w/ vocals recorded on stage, where it was clearly stated that recording vocals was never the plan when recording onstage.
I was talking about a rock band from the beginning of this thread.... When someone points out a three peace band with no vocals, A moron could get the balance right on stage with very little problems... So its a unfair comparison. I am and always was talking about a ROCK band or a situation where everything is going thru a PA system and a monitor system on stage and it sounds good out front....
It's sad that I have to quote you your own words so many times, but here it is again:
I personally do not know why ANYONE would run a onstage mic for a amplified performance the sound on stage always sucks! I mean I have spent 20 years as a live sound engineer I have done both monitors and front of house and in all my years I have heard maybe one or two shows that sounded really good on stage with a great balance. So IMO lose the on stage mics
There's no mention of "just rock bands with high quality sound systems and great engineers" anywhere in there. In fact, the blanket statement "So IMO lose the on stage mics " leaves NO ROOM for exceptions at all.
If you don't have vocals and you don't have a PA how else are you going to take the show but on stage lol?
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I think some people think I don't get the point of stage taping. I mean do you think there is a situation I have not been thru in 20 years as a sound engineer working with the bands I have worked with?? where I would not understand a pretty basic principal of recording a live performance....
But, in your 20 years, apparently, there were only ONE or TWO shows where the stage sounded good (and one of those was apparently Bon Jovi, who the hell here is comtemplating a stage tape of Bon Jovi?!?), and that we should lose the stage mics. That's your words. Now, you're backtracking and saying you HAVE run across those situations and you DO understand where there is a good use for it. Which is it?
Oh of course you do because you don't respect me, why because its easier for people to throw shit then to throw complements or just listen to new ideas... Right?
Doctor, heal thyself. You're the one who was telling us to "lose the stage mics" and won't listen to new ideas when we point out valid exceptions.
Every single time I say something about live sound and about shows and try to help people around here it gets cut down.
Does that happen to everyone here or just you? Maybe you should consider why just your ideas get cut down.
Why cant we respect peoples ideas I respect the fact that stage taping is necessary for some shows and its the only solution when the PA SUCKS or is none existent.
Again, how does "lose the stage mics" in any way acknowledge that stage taping is necessary in some circumstances?!?
Believe what you will twist my words. I am just giving an opinion I asked someone to prove me wrong all you guys can do is point out discrepancies in my words SHOW ME THE GREAT STAGE RECORDING!!!.... prove me wrong with stage recording that sounds as good as a good out front mix and I will say I was wrong....
I did. I provided an example,
which you've still never addressed. Of the two JHB recordings that I linked, which is better? I don't care whether it's better than the best audience tape that you've ever heard, I'm talking about this particular situation where there are two recordings in the same venue with the same band, same PA, same mics, and same gear. If we should "lose the stage mics", there should be NO situations where the stage recording is better. In this case, is the stage recording better? If not, I'd love to hear your reasons why, because it is better in every way.
