Topic: Is this ORTF? *pics included...

[china_rider]

DIN is 90 degree, 20 cm
DINa is 90 degree, 17 cm

If choosing between the two with my 480s DINa seems to always come out better with cards or hypers.

However, at least with my mics, I'm a big fan of NOS which is 90 degree, 30 cm.

[intpseeker]

+T's on the chart and the templates.

The chart came out nicely on a color laser transparency

[Keyd]

I can't take credit for this, but here is a template another member of the forum made that covers alot of the different setups.

http://www.taperssection.com/reference/pdf/MicConfigTemplate.pdf

Thanks for the link and thanks to whoever made the template. It will be quite helpful.

[F.O.Bean]

honestly, your angles look a little under 110deg.
It always amazes me how that extra 20deg over a perfect square looks so exagerated.  I just dont see that w/your image.

but protractors doent lie.

Or these.   

hmmmm, those look VERY familiar Oh wait, I have those EXACT same templates Thanks again Mark, that was VERY KIND of you to GIVE me those, which I think were your own personal templates. That shows me you are truly a KICK-ASS guy, especially to just GIVE them to me for nothing when you moved to the land of actives for good So THANKS again bud

I have them permanently kept in my AKG 483 gear bag and they have already come in VERY handy for when running the AKG 483's when I dont have the KwonBar to rely on for angles/spacing/configs like I do with my MBHO's

And bro, about your question about being below or above the 110* angle, I would say you would rather be under the 110* angle rather than over it around 120*. I would run at about 100* and be happy with that. Are you running cards or hypers? If running hypers, I would stick with DINa, but you will never know if hypers@ORTF will sound good at RR until you try it out for yourself I have ran and have heard some GREAT recordings with hypers@ORTF, it just really depends on venue. I ran DIN at RR when I was there for Trey in 2001 and couldnt have been happier with the end results, I just wish I had the Big-Ass Shure windscreens at the time when I was there. I just had the larger DPA screens at the time, and they did and AOK job on wind protection but they could only do so much. I would ONLY record at RR with the big-ass shures because it gets SOOO windy. In fact, the first nite of Trey on 7/17/2001, it was SOOOO windy, that during the encore of 'At The BBQ', the wind was SOOO intense, that it actually knocked over Trey's mic stand and a few of his bands music stands, yes it was THAT windy. I would make sure you have the big-ass shure screens or at least the larger DPA screens+dead rats or I honestly wouldnt even try recording there, but YMMV

Good luck and please let us know how your recording turns out after the fact!

Bean

[intpseeker]

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hmmmm, those look VERY familiar Oh wait, I have those EXACT same templates
Bean
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Uhm...? The radius part of the templates above face the sound source?

[manitouman]

Thanks for the advice Bean, and yes I do know about the Rocks and the wind. My virgin taping session with the new equipment was at the Rocks for a G. Love & SS show. It started out okay but then the wind really picked up. Since it was my first time, I had the stock screens for the Peluso's. Big mistake! Bought some "big ass" Shure's and used them for the Crowes a few weeks ago and results were much better. Not much wind that time but it did begin to rain towards the end. I won't tape there again unless I have my Shure's, that's for sure! Oh! and I'm running card caps on the Peluso's.

I'm getting with theImplodingVoice from Jersey at the show. I believe he's going to assist me in video taping as well. I have a small JVC camcorder that has the hard drive in it. We'll see how that turns out. Audio for sure, video maybe.

Yes, intpseeker, the radius part towards the sound source. I had a hard time trying to interpret the template someone posted a link to. I think tapermark's templates would be more useful to someone like me who would want something much simpler and easy to use.

Thanks everyone for the help!

[Nick's Picks]

I love to watch her dance....
but dont let the MODs see !


(yes, i'm fucking w/you guys...despite the warnings.  i'm feeling rather pranksterish today)

[manitouman]

I have been messing with my mics to get a better ORTF config. And I used the hard mounts instead of the shock mounts and I can get my angle right on with those mounts. I mean I am right on 110* with the 17cm separation. It was hard to get exact with the shock mounts. So I guess I'm asking, I should be okay using the hard mounts in an outdoor setting, correct? The shock mounts protect against someone knocking the stand over, is that a correct assumption? Wind shouldn't rock the mic in the shock mount and I think tomorrow at Red Rocks they are predicting 10-15mph winds. And I have the "big ass" Shures I'll be using. I think, unless I get other advice, I will go with the hard mounts so I can get an almost perfect ORTF config.

Here's some new pics, without the wookie claw!







Have to say it looks much better with the hard mounts than with the shock mounts. Wouldn't you say?

[F.O.Bean]

hard mounts should be alright, but shocks dont just protect from someone bumping the stand, but also HUGE bass bombs that would otherwise overload or distort your mics. my AT 8415 shocks and my Shure a53m shocks both take away a decent amount of bass db, and I can CLEARLY hear a diff between NOT running shocks and running them. I will NEVER run without shocks ever again. I didnt run them from 1999>2001, but when I started running them, my tapes started def getting more consistent and better sounding

[intpseeker]

honestly, your angles look a little under 110deg.
It always amazes me how that extra 20deg over a perfect square looks so exagerated.  I just dont see that w/your image.

but protractors doent lie.

Or these.   

Hey tapermark. V. cool templates.  What are they made of? Do you run the angle down the center of the mic body?

[F.O.Bean]

honestly, your angles look a little under 110deg.
It always amazes me how that extra 20deg over a perfect square looks so exagerated.  I just dont see that w/your image.

but protractors doent lie.

Or these.   

Hey tapermark. V. cool templates.  What are they made of? Do you run the angle down the center of the mic body?

since I now own Mark's pair, I will answer. the end of the radius is where each capsule should lay. these go directly over the config and these will lay directly on the center of each capsule when properly placed.  so at the widest part of each template is where the capsule sits and these should be directly on the CENTER of each capsule. I will snap a pic tomorrow if yinz are interested

Thanks again Mark, you RAWK!

[intpseeker]

honestly, your angles look a little under 110deg.
It always amazes me how that extra 20deg over a perfect square looks so exagerated.  I just dont see that w/your image.

but protractors doent lie.

Or these.   

Hey tapermark. V. cool templates.  What are they made of? Do you run the angle down the center of the mic body?

since I now own Mark's pair, I will answer. the end of the radius is where each capsule should lay. these go directly over the config and these will lay directly on the center of each capsule when properly placed.  so at the widest part of each template is where the capsule sits and these should be directly on the CENTER of each capsule. I will snap a pic tomorrow if yinz are interested

Thanks again Mark, you RAWK!

Pics would be cool, Beans. 

[Nick's Picks]

shure a53m
google it.

[F.O.Bean]

sure a53m
google it.

 

[Nick's Picks]

http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/Products/Accessories/us_pro_A53M_content

those shockmounts will not "get in the way" like the stock Peluso's.

which...btw, John told me he is still working on active cables for.