Author Topic: adapter for 48V w/ DPA 4060 (Read 12200 times)

Sean Gallemore · « **on:** July 02, 2004, 05:15:45 AM »

"An XLR adaptor is also available that allows you to hardwire the mic and power it from standard 48V phantom power."

found this on a dealer's site, so anyone have idea what adapter they are talking about. I can't seem to find the right one. A part number from a DPA catalog would be ideal. Thanx

Sean Gallemore · « **Reply #1 on:** July 02, 2004, 07:05:24 AM »

here's what I got so far

microdot connector at bottom left

microdot to xlr adapter for P48

so I'm assuming this will work, that is if I'm able to solder that microdot connector onto the 4060 cable.

I also found this while rummaging in the basement, but I have no clue how to make it.

javi · « **Reply #2 on:** July 02, 2004, 10:16:43 AM »

Quote from: Schwillaby on July 02, 2004, 05:15:45 AM

"An XLR adaptor is also available that allows you to hardwire the mic and power it from standard 48V phantom power."

found this on a dealer's site, so anyone have idea what adapter they are talking about. I can't seem to find the right one. A part number from a DPA catalog would be ideal. Thanx

the part number fo this adaptor is DAD6001
http://www.dpamicrophones.com/module.php?MID=101&itemid=DAD6001&function=pdescription

Sean Gallemore · « **Reply #3 on:** July 02, 2004, 10:35:44 AM »

so all of these adapters regulate power down to 7V. what about the battery boxes? Yeah they take a 9V battery but they can be dropped to 7V as well, no? Could I use my Sound Pro battery box for this? Just asking....

javi · « **Reply #4 on:** July 02, 2004, 10:43:17 AM »

Quote from: Schwillaby on July 02, 2004, 10:35:44 AM

so all of these adapters regulate power down to 7V. what about the battery boxes? Yeah they take a 9V battery but they can be dropped to 7V as well, no? Could I use my Sound Pro battery box for this? Just asking....

the HEB box (made by coresound for the DPA406xs) in fact uses 9V and just a resistor + a capacitor for each channel (without dropping to 7V).

Getting the sound pro battery box to work with the DPAs could be as easy as replacing the resistors with 10K ohm values (that's what HEB boxes use) and the capacitors will also probably need to be replaced with other values as well if you want to use the rolloff.

Sean Gallemore · « **Reply #5 on:** July 02, 2004, 11:18:47 AM »

it's times like these I wish I was an EE major

Steelcorner27 · « **Reply #6 on:** July 03, 2004, 11:32:53 PM »

come on guys we gotta get this figured out I have 2 sets of 4061 sitting in front of me with these damm wirless connectors I want to wack them off so bad! I cant look at them any longer! So this damm Core sound box is the best we can do for these things? I dont belive that will out perform my 853's with 48v or am I wrong?

Sean Gallemore · « **Reply #7 on:** July 04, 2004, 01:28:52 AM »

Quote from: Steelcorner27 on July 03, 2004, 11:32:53 PM

come on guys we gotta get this figured out I have 2 sets of 4061 sitting in front of me with these damm wirless connectors I want to wack them off so bad! I cant look at them any longer! So this damm Core sound box is the best we can do for these things? I dont belive that will out perform my 853's with 48v or am I wrong?

depends. Those adapters we have to use wwith the 853s cut down the power, too, but I dunno how much. I'm thinking about just throwing on a 1/8" and picking up a mps-60X0

Steelcorner27 · « **Reply #8 on:** July 04, 2004, 10:52:34 AM »

ya got a link on that mps

Steelcorner27 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 04, 2004, 11:21:07 AM »

Anyone know if the core sound HEB batt box uses a 4 pin mini xlr like there standard box?

zhianosatch · « **Reply #10 on:** July 04, 2004, 11:23:14 AM »

Quote from: Schwillaby on July 04, 2004, 01:28:52 AM

Quote from: Steelcorner27 on July 03, 2004, 11:32:53 PM
come on guys we gotta get this figured out I have 2 sets of 4061 sitting in front of me with these damm wirless connectors I want to wack them off so bad! I cant look at them any longer! So this damm Core sound box is the best we can do for these things? I dont belive that will out perform my 853's with 48v or am I wrong?

depends. Those adapters we have to use wwith the 853s cut down the power, too, but I dunno how much. I'm thinking about just throwing on a 1/8" and picking up a mps-60X0

remember, the mps uses microdot connectors for the mics, not 1/8" or anything else

Steelcorner27 · « **Reply #11 on:** July 04, 2004, 12:01:13 PM »

ya i think im done with all this research its giving me a headache im gust going to go with the microdot conn. (DUA6000) And one of these 3 boxes: mma6000,mps 6010,or mps630...who do you have to screw over at dpa to get them to send you some prices on this stuff? I want to be over and done with this project!

Steelcorner27 · « **Reply #12 on:** July 04, 2004, 12:14:24 PM »

anyone know what the Euro conversion rate is?

Brian Skalinder · « **Reply #13 on:** July 04, 2004, 12:22:15 PM »

Quote from: Steelcorner27 on July 04, 2004, 12:14:24 PM

anyone know what the Euro conversion rate is?

Google.

zhianosatch · « **Reply #14 on:** July 04, 2004, 12:24:17 PM »

don't give up so fast - soon one of us will figure out a good way to make our own power supplies for $20 a pop.

Steelcorner27 · « **Reply #15 on:** July 04, 2004, 12:28:01 PM »

got it here is a nice conversion calculator: http://www.x-rates.com/calculator.html

Steelcorner27 · « **Reply #16 on:** July 04, 2004, 12:32:34 PM »

ya i was looking at that mma 6000 those gain knobs kinda scare me they look awful bumpable in a stelth situation you'll have to be sure to let us know how stiff they are

Steelcorner27 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 04, 2004, 12:42:08 PM »

microdot conn. euro 38.50 = $48
mps6010 euro 148 =$182
mps6030 euro 134.50 =$165.52
DAD6001 (microdot to XLR) euro 70.75 = $87.07

Steelcorner27 · « **Reply #18 on:** July 04, 2004, 12:44:54 PM »

"just when I think Im all done..they drag me back in..this is not what I wanted"

zhianosatch · « **Reply #19 on:** July 04, 2004, 05:02:49 PM »

Quote from: Steelcorner27 on July 04, 2004, 12:32:34 PM

ya i was looking at that mma 6000 those gain knobs kinda scare me they look awful bumpable in a stelth situation you'll have to be sure to let us know how stiff they are

remember, you can always just tape them in place...

AT853rxwh · « **Reply #20 on:** July 04, 2004, 05:08:16 PM »

Maybe I am missing something but why not just put mini xlr's on em and go with samson adaptors?

zhianosatch · « **Reply #21 on:** July 04, 2004, 05:16:50 PM »

schwilly mentioned that the other day, too.

Sean Gallemore · « **Reply #22 on:** July 04, 2004, 07:18:01 PM »

Quote from: Steelcorner27 on July 04, 2004, 12:32:34 PM

ya i was looking at that mma 6000 those gain knobs kinda scare me they look awful bumpable in a stelth situation you'll have to be sure to let us know how stiff they are

one word:

tape

Sean Gallemore · « **Reply #23 on:** July 04, 2004, 07:19:33 PM »

Quote from: AT853rxwh on July 04, 2004, 05:08:16 PM

Maybe I am missing something but why not just put mini xlr's on em and go with samson adaptors?

differences in voltages and resistance

I'm not sure if I'm willing to blow out a $150 pair of mics just to test it out.

Steelcorner27 · « **Reply #24 on:** July 04, 2004, 07:56:17 PM »

I was about to put some mini xlr's on and go with the sampsons then all these guys scared the shit out of me now I dont know if Im comming or going

Steelcorner27 · « **Reply #25 on:** July 04, 2004, 08:00:32 PM »

so now its either 2 of these: (DAD6001 (microdot to XLR) euro 70.75 = $87.07) at $194 a pair or one of there $200 batt boxes, or a $89 batt box from core sound

Sean Gallemore · « **Reply #26 on:** July 05, 2004, 03:10:50 AM »

Quote from: Steelcorner27 on July 04, 2004, 08:00:32 PM

so now its either 2 of these: (DAD6001 (microdot to XLR) euro 70.75 = $87.07) at $194 a pair or one of there $200 batt boxes, or a $89 batt box from core sound

what, you don't wanna try the samson adapters? come on...

javi · « **Reply #27 on:** July 05, 2004, 08:39:14 AM »

Quote from: Steelcorner27 on July 04, 2004, 11:21:07 AM

Anyone know if the core sound HEB batt box uses a 4 pin mini xlr like there standard box?

yes it uses a 4 pin mini XLR (2x signal in + 2xsignal out) + shield (ground)

javi · « **Reply #28 on:** July 05, 2004, 08:40:32 AM »

Quote from: Moke on July 04, 2004, 12:25:33 PM

add, as an option,......
The newly released MMA6000 pre/9v
I'm getting mine on the 6th, and will be testing and posting comments,.... so don't rush out just yet.
I have two shows next week that I will be using it at.

great!
please keep us updated about this, it seems an interesting option though a bit pricey.

Steelcorner27 · « **Reply #29 on:** July 05, 2004, 05:10:01 PM »

Allright I just ordered the DAD6001 (microdot to 3 pin xlr P48 adapters) and Im running mine phantom how much voltage the adapters are letting thru to the mics I dont know 10.5v-12v? but they are listed as the proper device to run your 406x's to phantom and I dont really feel like buying more batt boxes so Ill be the gunie pig on this route.

Sean Gallemore · « **Reply #30 on:** July 06, 2004, 02:35:43 AM »

Quote from: Steelcorner27 on July 05, 2004, 05:10:01 PM

Allright I just ordered the DAD6001 (microdot to 3 pin xlr P48 adapters) and Im running mine phantom how much voltage the adapters are letting thru to the mics I dont know 10.5v-12v? but they are listed as the proper device to run your 406x's to phantom and I dont really feel like buying more batt boxes so Ill be the gunie pig on this route.

I think it's 7. Someone said it recently.

zhianosatch · « **Reply #31 on:** July 06, 2004, 02:42:56 AM »

it's in the other thread, i think

Steelcorner27 · « **Reply #32 on:** July 06, 2004, 08:40:27 PM »

ya i guess putting the microdot connecters on yourself is out to KingReptile called out to DPA Colorado and i guess there is 7 supersmall connections to be made in the microdot and they use a mircroscope and a special tool that goes for $350.00 so I think Ill be sending mine in for $75 a mic to have the microdot applied...

Sean Gallemore · « **Reply #33 on:** July 06, 2004, 09:05:04 PM »

Quote from: Steelcorner27 on July 06, 2004, 08:40:27 PM

ya i guess putting the microdot connecters on yourself is out to KingReptile called out to DPA Colorado and i guess there is 7 supersmall connections to be made in the microdot and they use a mircroscope and a special tool that goes for $350.00 so I think Ill be sending mine in for $75 a mic to have the microdot applied...

word on the streets is that the $60 Sound Pro battery box will work. Just a cheap 1/8" adapter is needed. No $90 xlrs

Steelcorner27 · « **Reply #34 on:** July 07, 2004, 07:51:57 AM »

Im not sure if that will work,here is the email I got back from Bruce at DPA Colorado:

>>>Brad,
I see my staff has replied to your email. I have just a couple of
comments to add.

1. The Microdot is an epoxy process, not a soldering one. A Microdot
tool is required along with an appropriate repair bench with large
magnifying capabilities, not a trivial matter! We route all Microdot
repairs and replacements back to Denmark for repair, with approx. a 2.5
week turnaround, for a flat fee of $75.00 each.

2. The MMA6000 is a mic preamplifier. All of our MPS products are
simply
power supplies. The MMA6000 will provide phantom power and takes your
mic level signal and amplifies it up to line level, allowing you to
bypass the typically poor quality mic inputs of most portable and/or
consumer level recording gear. The MMA is a pair of Microdot inputs
with
2 level controls, with a 2.5dB gain per click stop, offering approx.
28dB of overall gain, with its output on a stereo 1/8" mini connector,
9V battery operated, or via a 12 to 36VDC wall wart.

3. The MPS series are devices designed to provide phantom power to our
Miniature series and are offered in both one and 2 channel models. All
are Microdot inputs, with a choice of outputs via 1/8" mini, 1/4" 3 pin
XLR and RCA. They just provide the required voltage to energize the
preamp stage of our Miniature mics. Output from the MPS products is
still only line level.

Best regards,
Bruce

zhianosatch · « **Reply #35 on:** July 07, 2004, 10:28:22 AM »

I think he means "output from the MPS products is still only MIC level..." i think...

Steelcorner27 · « **Reply #36 on:** July 07, 2004, 06:19:27 PM »

And just this one thing to add from a phone call out to Colorado they actually claim that these little bastards run on 5v not the formentioned 7v or 9v

Steelcorner27 · « **Reply #37 on:** July 12, 2004, 07:16:58 PM »

damm these wires are small on these 406x's no wonder they use high powered magnification when working on these

Sean Gallemore · « **Reply #38 on:** July 12, 2004, 11:31:15 PM »

Quote from: Steelcorner27 on July 12, 2004, 07:16:58 PM

damm these wires are small on these 406x's no wonder they use high powered magnification when working on these

yeah, mine were a biznatch to solder

BobW · « **Reply #39 on:** July 18, 2004, 11:57:00 PM »

Quote from: Schwilly on July 12, 2004, 11:31:15 PM

Quote from: Steelcorner27 on July 12, 2004, 07:16:58 PM
damm these wires are small on these 406x's no wonder they use high powered magnification when working on these

yeah, mine were a biznatch to solder

So did it work ?
Are you using the SP battery box ?
The one with roll-off ?

Are these that much better than the AT943 ?

FWIW:
I just listened to 2 recent downloads.
Groundation with the SP Battery box with roll-off and a pair of AT831s
and DMB 7-11-04 with DPA4023s.

I find it very hard to say this, but the AT831 show owns.
The DMB show has a mid-bass peak and strange lack of presence, weak vocals.
The Groundation show kicks ass. Smooth, tight and deep bass, and present, clear vocals.

I'm just plain confused ! I love the DPA compact sound, but I'm shocked at the AT's performance.
Is it just a "location,location, location" thing ? The DMB show doesn't sound like a typical DPA recording.

zhianosatch · « **Reply #40 on:** July 19, 2004, 12:49:14 AM »

Quote from: BobW on July 18, 2004, 11:57:00 PM

Is it just a "location,location, location" thing ?

certainly.

Sean Gallemore · « **Reply #41 on:** July 19, 2004, 07:26:07 AM »

Quote from: zhianosatch on July 19, 2004, 12:49:14 AM

Quote from: BobW on July 18, 2004, 11:57:00 PM
Is it just a "location,location, location" thing ?

certainly.

word

pjdavep · « **Reply #42 on:** July 25, 2005, 03:15:31 PM »

I have messed with the DPA 406x cables/microdots and they are no fun at all. I used to run my 4061s into one of the MPS battery boxes, and after several months of stealthing, the stress on the microdot connectors caused them to become faulty. I'd get occasional channel static, that would ruin otherwise nice recordings. DPA really needs to make some right angle microdot connectors! The company that makes the microdot is Tyco - www.tycoelectronics.com - but I don't know which size/model DPA uses for the mini mics, but I do know that they manufacture right angle type microdots.

Anyway, after searching for a different style mini-connector, or at least a right angle microdot that I could put on myself, I ended up chopping the microdots off my mics and hardwiring them into my own homemade battery box. Since then, I have yet to have a cable problem!

I have put larger style microdots on a friend's pair of 4061s, but that was a major pain in the butt. I got the microdots from a surplus supply house.

Later,
pjdavep