Topic: Onboard A/D Comparisons?

[jpschust]

damon, i think that while we are at the late stage of the DAT game i think we are going to see DAT's in the field for quite a while to come.  At least until the HD recorders come way down in price, around the 500 dollar or below mark.

[rustoleum]

What about taking the line out of a 24 bit playback device playing a live show recorded at 24 bit?   Obviously a good DA convertor would be ideal, but even the headphone out of a computer would cut it.  That should give you more than enough dynamic range (certainly more than both a comerical CD and a live DAT)  to get an idea of what each A/D would sound like in a live setting.  

Whatever the case,  I agree that it may not be worth the trouble, but I think this solution gives a nice controlled situation that would exercise the deck the way we would in the field.

Rusty

[marc0789]

done a handful of stealth shows running >mp2>m1 and always been impressed, generally run the mp2 about 1/3 to 1/2 and the m1 maybe at 5-6, nice smooth sound.

[super-phat-al]

i can tell you i can't stand the ADC on the d8.  To me i lost of sound in that stage when i was runng C1000s>Mixpad>d8.  

[jpschust]

ok all these descriptions are all good and well, and i could probably use verbage to describe all of them, but it doesnt equal having a sampler download to compare it all to.  a set of 1-2 minute flac files where pink noise and other colored noise is generated would be more helpful in  the long run

[Tim]

let us know when you finish!

[jpschust]

if i can borrow the gear from people id be happy to do the tests, problem is i just dont own all the gear to do it.

[scb]

>>because you're trying to test the a/d's performance in a field environment.  cd's are, generally speaking, much more compressed and doctored.  in a concert recording environment, the wider dynamic range could pose different issues for a a>d than recording from a cd. <<

so use a live cd

[sickrick43]

Take the D10 (Pro) out of the loop.  Unless it's been line-mod'd, it's running @ +4 line levels anyway.  The mike pre on it's pretty quiet, and the a/d is OK.  There's always room for improvement with an input mod.

For it's vintage, out of the box, it's the cadillac (and for the most part, there hasn't been a portable pro dat that's really come close).

My $.02

Rick

[jpschust]

i want everything stock.  no mods whatsoever.

[Sean Gallemore]

done a handful of stealth shows running >mp2>m1 and always been impressed, generally run the mp2 about 1/3 to 1/2 and the m1 maybe at 5-6, nice smooth sound.

I'm running the same and am always amazed with the sound, i run mp-2 at 9'oclock and the m1 from 5-7.  I run hot, too.  It just sounds better with the increased dynamics, plus I can't "hear" any tabling, but maybe that's just my shitty system.

[zhianosatch]

>>because you're trying to test the a/d's performance in a field environment.  cd's are, generally speaking, much more compressed and doctored.  in a concert recording environment, the wider dynamic range could pose different issues for a a>d than recording from a cd. <<

so use a live cd

such crazy ideas, scott.

[Sean Gallemore]

>>because you're trying to test the a/d's performance in a field environment.  cd's are, generally speaking, much more compressed and doctored.  in a concert recording environment, the wider dynamic range could pose different issues for a a>d than recording from a cd. <<

so use a live cd

such crazy ideas, scott.

 but there's no w00k factor, takes all the fun out of it

[Mic D]

the M1's ad stage is fine if you keep the levels relatively low(peaking about -6 or so, not higher).