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Gear / Technical Help => Remote Power => Topic started by: Josephine on May 26, 2005, 11:49:55 PM
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What kind of batteries do you use and how much run time do you get out of them?
(I was also curious as to how many NBox users we have here at TS.)
Thanks.
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I use plain old Duracell or Energizer batteries.
I 'd like to move to a more earth friendly solution but all of the rechargables I've seen are expensive and low capacity.
does anyone use 9V lithiums?
how much are they and what kind of runtime do you get?
the longest I have run the box without swapping batteries was almost 5 hours straight at the Ropeadope New Music Seminar last fall.
I swap out the every show batteries after 4-5 hours and the every other show set every 9-10 hours.
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I ran Energizer lithiums this weekend for the festival I attended.
I can tell you, they're really expensive -- over five bucks a piece.
I only ran them for a few hours before switching them out, so I really can't say much about their run time.
I bought some rechargeables a little while back, but didn't have much luck with them; however, after reading in another thread about how new rechargeable batteries need to be cycled a few times, I'm thinking about giving them another try.
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I ran Energizer lithiums this weekend for the festival I attended.
I can tell you, they're really expensive -- over five bucks a piece.
I only ran them for a few hours before switching them out, so I really can't say much about their run time.
I bought some rechargeables a little while back, but didn't have much luck with them; however, after reading in another thread about how new rechargeable batteries need to be cycled a few times, I'm thinking about giving them another try.
except that you shouldn't use rechargeable 9vs! there has been a bunch of posts about this in the last month or two. :)
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Although I don't have much to add here, I'd thought I chime is as an nbox "user" myself. As recommended, I do swap out the one pair of 9 volt every show and the second pair every other show. I don't push the batteries that much as most shows I tape are under the two hour mark and I have an endless work supply of nine volt batteries and a use for used batteries in other devices. Until we hear of a reliable nine volt rechargeable I would suggest sticking to the alkaline's. If we can all afford an nbox and a schoeps system, then we can surely afford a couple bucks in batteries for every show and learn how to save the planet in other ways. ;)
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If we can all afford an nbox and a schoeps system, then we can surely afford a couple bucks in batteries for every show and learn how to save the planet in other ways. ;)
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I just used similar rationale the other day - "If I can afford to lay down over 4k in mics in the last month, I can afford..."
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I do swap out the one pair of 9 volt every show and the second pair every other show.
I swap out the every show batteries after 4-5 hours and the every other show set every 9-10 hours.
Am I reading this right? Does the NBox take 4 9 volts?
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I do swap out the one pair of 9 volt every show and the second pair every other show.
I swap out the every show batteries after 4-5 hours and the every other show set every 9-10 hours.
Am I reading this right? Does the NBox take 4 9 volts?
Yes, But what I did was move the "change every show" batteries to the "change every other show" part and replaced the "change every show" with new ones, so it really was only adding two batteries at one time... Same as the Sax
makes sense? :-\
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I do swap out the one pair of 9 volt every show and the second pair every other show.
I swap out the every show batteries after 4-5 hours and the every other show set every 9-10 hours.
Am I reading this right? Does the NBox take 4 9 volts?
Yes, But what I did was move the "change every show" batteries to the "change every other show" part and replaced the "change every show" with new ones, so it really was only adding two batteries at one time... Same as the Sax
makes sense? :-\
Since reading this post, I've been using this approach -- moving the "change every show" batts to the "every other show." I've probably recorded a dozen or so shows this way and everything has gone great. Great tip, Rick. Thanks ~ :)
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Have any of you tried to switch the 9V from one set of connectors to the other? I run them fresh for about 3.5 to 4hrs. Then I switch the batts from one side to the other. One of your battery connectors on the Nbox is for the phantom power and the other is for the pre amp functions. The phantom side uses very little juice when switched you will notice another 3.5 to 4hrs. of usage for a total of up to 8 hrs on Duracell Ultras.
dd
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it is actually different because I use 4 batteries for 8 hours, not 6 batteries. :)
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i think he means something like
original setup:
battery 1 battery 3
battery 2 battery 4
switching to:
battery 2 battery 3
battery 1 battery 4
as opposed to switching to:
battery 3 battery 1
battery 4 battery 2
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No, no, no... I think he means:
Pre / Phantom 4 hours > Pre / Phantom 4 more hours > Toss the batteries away!
1 / 3 3 / 1
2 / 4 4 / 2
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Before each show, I toss two batteries, move two batteries, then add two new batteries. I'm only adding two new batteries per taping session. In other words, I'm using four batteries for up to eight hours' taping time. You guys all make it sound so complicated. ;)
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No, no, no... I think he means:
Pre / Phantom 4 hours > Pre / Phantom 4 more hours > Toss the batteries away!
1 / 3 3 / 1
2 / 4 4 / 2
perhaps...that could really hurt you though if you go long the show before with the switch every show'ers
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No, no, no... I think he means:
Pre / Phantom 4 hours > Pre / Phantom 4 more hours > Toss the batteries away!
1 / 3 3 / 1
2 / 4 4 / 2
Shaggy you were able to explain it better than I thank you for clarifying for me. That is exactly what I do. Keep in mind that at the 3.5 hour mark I start getting nervous and I dont attempt to push it too much further tan that.
AColluzzi actually states correctly in another post that the Phantom is run by internal batts not the 9V batts. Here where you and I state phantom s/b Line Out. I apologize for my incorrect post. :)
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Fluffhead, I am giving you a T for actually giving some useful info on this board. Don't get into any silly fights on the board and respect those that have been around. Play nice and the rewards will be infinite. Nbox or Lemosax....it doesn't matter as long as someone tapes the damn show, eh?
I am going to be a part of this Schoeps stealth brigade soon. Bought some CMC64Vs and a Lemosax/KCY will be on the way as soon as I rid myself of some gear.
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Fluffhead, I am giving you a T for actually giving some useful info on this board. Don't get into any silly fights on the board and respect those that have been around. Play nice and the rewards will be infinite. Nbox or Lemosax....it doesn't matter as long as someone tapes the damn show, eh?
I am going to be a part of this Schoeps stealth brigade soon. Bought some CMC64Vs and a Lemosax/KCY will be on the way as soon as I rid myself of some gear.
I actually prefer the if you want to give me a ticket please take it away instead. I agree as long as someone tapes the show. All this gear really makes HOTT tapes. FTR I am new to the board not to taping, going on 18 yrs since my first taped show. I do respect people some people just dont respect a sense of humor here. I have been stealthing for a long time and I welcome you to the brigade...you may want to mod that sonolax, better yet I think Swanny has an NBOX for sale.....he he he he
Josephine: sounds like you are doing the same thing I am. Others however, dont seem to be doing that....BTW--the more complicated it sounds the more musical the tapes are?! :laugh: :laugh: You are making some smokin' tapes!!!! Thanks for getting out there I promise once I finish my move to start posting shows too.
HAPPY TURKEY!!!! Dont get bird flu.....
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I do respect people some people just dont respect a sense of humor here.
It's a two way street - additionaly, some people are not able to communicate effectively their intended humor in this medium.
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Fluffhead, I am giving you a T for actually giving some useful info on this board. Don't get into any silly fights on the board and respect those that have been around. Play nice and the rewards will be infinite. Nbox or Lemosax....it doesn't matter as long as someone tapes the damn show, eh?
I am going to be a part of this Schoeps stealth brigade soon. Bought some CMC64Vs and a Lemosax/KCY will be on the way as soon as I rid myself of some gear.
how are you going to set it up to stealth with mk4v's?
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MK4Vs are easier to stealth with than Mk4s, if you can believe it. THe capsules can be laid on their sides and fit perfectly in the part above the brim on the front part of a Kangol. THe cord assembly still gets in the way with a MK4 active set up and I was even going to comsider a MK5 which is longer by another 9-11mm. With the MK4Vs, the cords will run towards wach other (towards the center) of the cap and then back around. No pokey pokey with the cords, no funny bits sticking out anywhere.
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MK4Vs are easier to stealth with than Mk4s, if you can believe it. THe capsules can be laid on their sides and fit perfectly in the part above the brim on the front part of a Kangol. THe cord assembly still gets in the way with a MK4 active set up and I was even going to comsider a MK5 which is longer by another 9-11mm. With the MK4Vs, the cords will run towards wach other (towards the center) of the cap and then back around. No pokey pokey with the cords, no funny bits sticking out anywhere.
WAY easier to stealth with the Vs. Without a doubt. I just feel they dont sound as good as the 4s with the nbox. I must say that I would like to hear more 4V stealth recordings FROM THE SWEET SPOT to make a more informed determination. I feel the lateral p/u on the Vs adds more color to the high end emphasis when used on the horizontal axis w/an STC bar. This may result in a 'spitty' recording. ;D I have had good luck with the Vs + Nbox in an inverted XY pattern using a shure mount. Also I believe that if you run the Vs on an STC bar you are at a 70 degree angle which is 20 degrees less than DIN and 40 degrees less than ORTF both of which I prefer for stealthing in the sweet spot. And then there is always the TP for those special projects on the side of center......
Peace,
dd
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MK4Vs are easier to stealth with than Mk4s, if you can believe it. THe capsules can be laid on their sides and fit perfectly in the part above the brim on the front part of a Kangol. THe cord assembly still gets in the way with a MK4 active set up and I was even going to comsider a MK5 which is longer by another 9-11mm. With the MK4Vs, the cords will run towards wach other (towards the center) of the cap and then back around. No pokey pokey with the cords, no funny bits sticking out anywhere.
WAY easier to stealth with the Vs. Without a doubt. I just feel they dont sound as good as the 4s with the nbox. I must say that I would like to hear more 4V stealth recordings FROM THE SWEET SPOT to make a more informed determination. I feel the lateral p/u on the Vs adds more color to the high end emphasis when used on the horizontal axis w/an STC bar. This may result in a 'spitty' recording. ;D I have had good luck with the Vs + Nbox in an inverted XY pattern using a shure mount. Also I believe that if you run the Vs on an STC bar you are at a 70 degree angle which is 20 degrees less than DIN and 40 degrees less than ORTF both of which I prefer for stealthing in the sweet spot. And then there is always the TP for those special projects on the side of center......
Peace,
dd
yea but todd that doesnt matter for him, he's getting the LEMO not the Nbox.
Oh by the way did i tell you i picked up a pair of mics? cmc6/mk4 cuz i got a great deal. kc5 on the way!
;D
ps- i'm not that much of a stealther
pps- send me that hard drive and i'll start posting some of your shit on etree
- esp that depeche and aerosmith
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yea but todd that doesnt matter for him, he's getting the LEMO not the Nbox.
Oh by the way did i tell you i picked up a pair of mics? cmc6/mk4 cuz i got a great deal. kc5 on the way!
;D
ps- i'm not that much of a stealt
pps- send me that hard drive and i'll start posting some of your shit on etree
- esp that depeche and aerosmith
I understand he is not using the Nbox. I was stating this from my perspective Ian. ;D Where are my shure mount and schoeps shock mount? Dude I need that shit!!! Please ASAP
BTW---Its 7:30 in the morning in CA. I know you didnt get up that early. Go to fuckin' sleep bro.
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yea but todd that doesnt matter for him, he's getting the LEMO not the Nbox.
Oh by the way did i tell you i picked up a pair of mics? cmc6/mk4 cuz i got a great deal. kc5 on the way!
;D
ps- i'm not that much of a stealt
pps- send me that hard drive and i'll start posting some of your shit on etree
- esp that depeche and aerosmith
I understand he is not using the Nbox. I was stating this from my perspective Ian. ;D Where are my shure mount and schoeps shock mount? Dude I need that shit!!! Please ASAP
BTW---Its 7:30 in the morning in CA. I know you didnt get up that early. Go to fuckin' sleep bro.
JIMBO has that shit i told ya already....
call him.
i am in NY at my parents.... so it was 10:30. and yes i was up that early, but your right i would not have been if i was in CA.
:)
ian
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I also have an nbox. I use engergizers, and have never tried to push it past 4hrs. I will be trying it with the mk5's soon...
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I also have an nbox. I use engergizers, and have never tried to push it past 4hrs. I will be trying it with the mk5's soon...
just be sure you swap those batteries 1 to 3, 3 to 1 and 2 to 4, 4 to 2 at the 4 hour mark. I checked the voltage after the lenny/aerosmith show and found that the pre amp batts were at 8.2V and the line out batts were at 9.0...still totally fresh. I disconnected them from the box and taped the ends w/gaffing tape and I will use them in the opposite position for 4 more hours.
Ian---sent you a pm
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I also have an nbox. I use engergizers, and have never tried to push it past 4hrs. I will be trying it with the mk5's soon...
just be sure you swap those batteries 1 to 3, 3 to 1 and 2 to 4, 4 to 2 at the 4 hour mark. I checked the voltage after the lenny/aerosmith show and found that the pre amp batts were at 8.2V and the line out batts were at 9.0...still totally fresh. I disconnected them from the box and taped the ends w/gaffing tape and I will use them in the opposite position for 4 more hours.
Ian---sent you a pm
see that's pretty organized... i'd get so stoned at shows i'd forget which batteries are which and wind up either
a/ losing some of that, or the next show
b/ spending more on batts cuz i'm just busting out more freshies
or c/ all of the above
;D
pm right back atcha tweeker! ;)
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Hey ian stoner, label the batteries with tape b4 the show...oh yeah, congrats on your CMC64 purchase. You were the final push that got me to put the pen to the paper on those CMC64Vs, I thought I'd lose out to you.
fluff, thanx for the tips....