Author Topic: Shure Big-Ass Screens VS Dead Rats (w/ small foam inside) (Read 5078 times)

Javier Cinakowski · « **on:** June 21, 2008, 04:02:05 PM »

I always liked the dead rat option because I could fit the rats in my bag better than the Shure's. I now have some extra room in my bag and think I might pick up a pair of the Shures. Do you think they provided enough wind protection?

Krispy D · « **Reply #1 on:** June 21, 2008, 04:10:20 PM »

I love the protection that my (big) DPA's with dead rats give me.

manitouman · « **Reply #2 on:** June 21, 2008, 04:41:24 PM »

IMOO, I like the Shure's. Slap them on and forget about wind and enjoy the show!

flipp · « **Reply #3 on:** June 21, 2008, 04:46:25 PM »

I've used Shures successfully in an Oklahoma breeze (20-30mph with gusts over 35) and not gotten any wind noise on the recording. Had another pair of mics on the same stand with DPA 0896 screens and did get some low rumbles. Only thing the Shures let through were some phasing issues but that was to be expected with the wind that strong. Stand was run at seated head heighth about halfway from the stage to the top of an ampitheater so they probably didn't get a full 35mph blast.

Haven't tried dead rats on either screens but thinking about having a local seamstress make a couple of pairs since I do a lot of outdoor summer shows in some of the local parks

Scooter · « **Reply #4 on:** June 21, 2008, 08:08:13 PM »

I've never had ANY wind noise using the Shure's.

drewloo · « **Reply #5 on:** June 21, 2008, 11:04:26 PM »

It was super windy and gusty a couple of weeks ago & since I didn't have some big ass shures I took my big dpa screens and stuffed them in a pair of TL windscreens. They looked pretty funny on the little 930's. I could still hear some wind noise but it never went to -0-, not that wind needs to go to -0- to ruin a recording.

F.O.Bean · « **Reply #6 on:** June 22, 2008, 05:34:30 AM »

Quote from: Scooter on June 21, 2008, 08:08:13 PM

I've never had ANY wind noise using the Shure's.

Same here. Just some slight phasing. I DO have the Larger DPA's+Dead Rats as an option, and the DPA Screens stay on my mics in transport, and the dead rats fit easily into a side pocket of my Cairn II JUST in case I forget the Shures

I just havent ran the DPA screens+dead rats yet since the Shures are tried and tested for many years now

BUT Id like to just get the balls and try the dead rats. Altho, Id HATE to get burnt on a recording becasue of wind and running the dead rats. The dead rats are sweet since they mine fold in half and take up no space at all really in my bag. But like I said, the Shures are tried and true, so I have a hard time even trying the dead rats!

John Willett · « **Reply #7 on:** June 22, 2008, 08:06:17 AM »

The best wind protection is a basket windshield with a Windjammer.

The HF loss on a windjammer is minimal - don't use foam.

Wind protection comes from the volume of still air trapped round the microphone, the larger the volume of still air, the better the protection.

The Windjammer works by taking the worst of the energy out of the wind by the long hairs before it gets to the basket windshield.

Javier Cinakowski · « **Reply #8 on:** June 22, 2008, 03:57:35 PM »

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500ml CR bags

What is that?

Brian Skalinder · « **Reply #9 on:** June 22, 2008, 03:59:28 PM »

Basket windshield + windjammer type protection definitely the best, as jw indicates. For my money, though, and the very limited amount of (critical) outdoor recording I do, the Shure A81WS work great for me. Their coarse inner foam core provides a volume of air around the mics, sort of (more so than other foam options, anyway), and they work quite well. Can't compare to small foam + dead rats, as I've never used them in combination.

yug du nord · « **Reply #10 on:** June 22, 2008, 04:25:08 PM »

Quote from: Javier Cinakowski on June 22, 2008, 03:57:35 PM

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500ml CR bags

What is that?

Them pretty purple bags that a 500mL bottle of Crown Royale comes in... when the CR bags come out... you know it's windy! No holds barred up here in MN!!!

Javier Cinakowski · « **Reply #11 on:** June 22, 2008, 04:33:45 PM »

So, if I get 2 crown royal bags I could use them to store the Shures in (hang them from the side of my gear bag), but also put them over the screens when it gets real windy ?

cool...

Javier Cinakowski · « **Reply #12 on:** June 22, 2008, 05:29:56 PM »

Are you sure it is 500ml? I am only finding 750ml and 1.5L....

manitouman · « **Reply #13 on:** June 22, 2008, 07:16:33 PM »

Quote from: Javier Cinakowski on June 22, 2008, 04:33:45 PM

So, if I get 2 crown royal bags I could use them to store the Shures in (hang them from the side of my gear bag), but also put them over the screens when it gets real windy ?

cool...

Love this idea! I was wondering myself how to carry those with an AR-7 bag. Thanks for the great idea. I know several people who love their Crown so finding a bag shouldn't be too hard. I'd also like to get a larger size bag. I've got the smaller ones 750ml(?) but they are a little tight in their. And I don't want to use two of them because then they look like truck balls......gear bag balls?

I crack myself up, I should take a pic of that and post it here.

Javier Cinakowski · « **Reply #14 on:** June 22, 2008, 07:43:23 PM »

Quote from: manitouman on June 22, 2008, 07:16:33 PM

Quote from: Javier Cinakowski on June 22, 2008, 04:33:45 PM
So, if I get 2 crown royal bags I could use them to store the Shures in (hang them from the side of my gear bag), but also put them over the screens when it gets real windy ?

cool...

Love this idea! I was wondering myself how to carry those with an AR-7 bag. Thanks for the great idea. I know several people who love their Crown so finding a bag shouldn't be too hard. I'd also like to get a larger size bag. I've got the smaller ones 750ml(?) but they are a little tight in their. And I don't want to use two of them because then they look like truck balls......gear bag balls?

I crack myself up, I should take a pic of that and post it here.

So the 750ml fits a single shure about perfectly?

dactylus · « **Reply #15 on:** June 22, 2008, 09:44:13 PM »

This year for 10K I'll be ready with the Shure Big-Ass Screens + Dead Rats if needed. The wind was nasty there last year...

Anyone have two, extra LARGE CR bags?

spyder9 · « **Reply #16 on:** June 22, 2008, 10:18:27 PM »

I ran DPAs + Dead Rats at Mountain Jam 2 weeks ago. Wind was heavy for Day 3. Gusts had to be around 35 mph. Still had wind in my recordings.

As for phasing, the only cure for that is getting closer to the stacks and DFC.

I hate wind. I hate it.

manitouman · « **Reply #17 on:** June 22, 2008, 10:37:11 PM »

I can fit both Shure's into one 750ml CR bag. But it's full, I can probably throw in my regular windscreens but that's about it. I present to you.....(drum roll please).......the Gear Bag Nutz!

RobertNC · « **Reply #18 on:** June 22, 2008, 11:02:24 PM »

I run a pair of baby sized windtechs indoors mainly for smoke protection, but busted out the Shure A81s and used them at Penn's Landing for Phil Friday night. Pretty strong gusts of wind at times. More than enough to see my mics shaking back and forth pretty hard - that's a pretty big gust given the top section of my stand is more than an inch in diameter, and all the section locks clamp down firm and tight.

Plenty of volume and phasing effects, but absolutely no rumble.

Never tried rats, so I cannot compare but I thought the Shure A81s performed very well Friday.

Shures too big in the bag? LOL you guys you should try lugging ADK A51TLs through an airport sometime.

Good to meet Spyder at the show. Dude, I still cannot figure out exactly where Syracuse is or why I would have flown there to see a Ratdog show in Albany in 1998.

Javier Cinakowski · « **Reply #19 on:** June 22, 2008, 11:17:58 PM »

I am guessing the pint (473ml) are the bags that fit perfectly for one Shure...

Poll

What protects better from wind?

Author Topic: Shure Big-Ass Screens VS Dead Rats (w/ small foam inside) (Read 5078 times)