Topic: Joe Meek JM27SM vs Schoeps A20

[Rob D.]

Beside the price difference, is the Schoeps really worth the additional $89.50?

http://www.frontendaudio.com/Joemeek-JM27SM-Shock-Mount-for-JM27-p/1774.htm vs http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/386431-REG/Schoeps_A20_A_20_Elastic_Suspension.html

[airbladder]

No.  I have had both if them.  Another option is busman.  I think I got one from him for 20$. 

[jbell]

Another vote for Busman!  A set of 2 cost $30 and I think they are smaller than the Joe Meek mounts.

[hi and lo]

I was very curious about this myself. The Busman mounts are good quality and 20mm?

[jbell]

I like them!  They also have felt on the part you slide your bodies into so they don't scratch you mics.  I only have one currently and use it for my active bar when I don't use a shure donut.  I think they have plastic threads, but I also swapped out mine for one with metal threads of another shock mount.  For $30 shipped to your door it's a good price and quality.

[kirk97132]

Thought the Busmans were 22mm.  Slightly larger.  I know that I couldn't use the Busman mounts on my Teac 120's unless I put gaff tape or something on the mics to take up the additional room. 

After thinking back maybe I have my facts reversed, Hell I am just not sure now

[jbell]

I'm not sure about the size of the Busmans, but mine is alittle more snug than a Shure a53m shock. 

Edit:  The price must have went up since I bought mine.

[achalsey]

The Busmans are 20mm, they fit my SP C4s (20mm) nice and snug.  Took jmbell's advice for a pair and they've worked out great.  It was $40 for my pair shipped.  From the picture alone, can't tell much difference between the Schoeps and Busman, I'd save the money on probably almost the same mount.

[DSatz]

The Schoeps shockmounts clamp the cable and thus isolate the microphone from cable motion or vibration. That's particularly important with directional microphones such as cardioids, supercardioids and figure-8s. How much price difference that is worth is up to you, but any shock mount that doesn't isolate a loop of the cable in that way will deliver inferior results in everyday recording situations. I used to use the Shure "rubber donuts" (A53M) which are well built and relatively inexpensive, but they suffer from the same lack.

If the price of the Schoeps shock mounts seems excessive, you might consider the Rycote InVision series for $62 list (U.S.). They're first-rate.

--best regards

[su6oxone]

The Schoeps shockmounts clamp the cable and thus isolate the microphone from cable motion or vibration.

I use a A20S (love it!) but I don't use the cable clamping piece.  Typically, I use a strip of gaffer tape to secure the cables without putting tension on them.  Wouldn't this serve the same function when used with any shockmount? 

[DSatz]

It could if you really leave some slack in the cable between the microphone and the tie-off point.

[su6oxone]

It could if you really leave some slack in the cable between the microphone and the tie-off point.

Cool, I always leave plenty of slack to keep the mic/cable connection "ultra tension-free".  Thanks!

[jbell]

Busman shocks have a cable clamp too!

[hi and lo]

If the price of the Schoeps shock mounts seems excessive, you might consider the Rycote InVision series for $62 list (U.S.). They're first-rate.

It's not so much the price of the Schoeps mounts, but rather the build quality. For $112, I expect something not made primarily of plastic. My last two easily cracked over time.

The Rycote mounts are nice.

[F.O.Bean]

I have been using Shure "donuts" since getting actives in 2007. I just LOVE THEM. I too make sure they are tension free like DSatz said

[bhadella]

I've been thru them all of the mounts mentioned.  The rycote invisions are by far the most resistant to noise.  I love 'em.

[Rob D.]

If the price of the Schoeps shock mounts seems excessive, you might consider the Rycote InVision series for $62 list (U.S.). They're first-rate.

It's not so much the price of the Schoeps mounts, but rather the build quality. For $112, I expect something not made primarily of plastic. My last two easily cracked over time.

The Rycote mounts are nice.

Same here, the Joe Meek I have cracked as well. I forgot to mention I only ever use one of these mounts and that's when I'm using the assortment of Kwon type bars for the actives setup so the small size is a bonus. From the pictures I've seen, the Rycotes look a bit larger.

[F.O.Bean]

If the price of the Schoeps shock mounts seems excessive, you might consider the Rycote InVision series for $62 list (U.S.). They're first-rate.

It's not so much the price of the Schoeps mounts, but rather the build quality. For $112, I expect something not made primarily of plastic. My last two easily cracked over time.

The Rycote mounts are nice.

Same here, the Joe Meek I have cracked as well. I forgot to mention I only ever use one of these mounts and that's when I'm using the assortment of Kwon type bars for the actives setup so the small size is a bonus. From the pictures I've seen, the Rycotes look a bit larger.

That's why I use the shure donuts, because it doesnt get much smaller than that

[NOLAfishwater]

If the price of the Schoeps shock mounts seems excessive, you might consider the Rycote InVision series for $62 list (U.S.). They're first-rate.

It's not so much the price of the Schoeps mounts, but rather the build quality. For $112, I expect something not made primarily of plastic. My last two easily cracked over time.

The Rycote mounts are nice.

Same here, the Joe Meek I have cracked as well. I forgot to mention I only ever use one of these mounts and that's when I'm using the assortment of Kwon type bars for the actives setup so the small size is a bonus. From the pictures I've seen, the Rycotes look a bit larger.

That's why I use the shure donuts, because it doesnt get much smaller than that

actually the rycote is smaller and weighs less than the shure donut.

[F.O.Bean]

If the price of the Schoeps shock mounts seems excessive, you might consider the Rycote InVision series for $62 list (U.S.). They're first-rate.

It's not so much the price of the Schoeps mounts, but rather the build quality. For $112, I expect something not made primarily of plastic. My last two easily cracked over time.

The Rycote mounts are nice.

Same here, the Joe Meek I have cracked as well. I forgot to mention I only ever use one of these mounts and that's when I'm using the assortment of Kwon type bars for the actives setup so the small size is a bonus. From the pictures I've seen, the Rycotes look a bit larger.

That's why I use the shure donuts, because it doesnt get much smaller than that

actually the rycote is smaller and weighs less than the shure donut.

Really? Hmmm

[hi and lo]

The problem with the Shure doughnuts is that they don't grip a kwon bar all that tight. To say it's a problem is a bit unfair, especially since I've used one without a major issue for almost 5 years now, but it certainly possible that if the stand/clamp gets bumped that the bar would tilt downwards.

The rycotes and a20 grip the kwon bar very securely.

[paulbaptiste]

I have a busman mount and am unaware of a cable clip/tie off point.  I've always used a velco strip secured to the stand allow slack/tension free points for the mic mount, and again further down the stand to keep everything nice and tidy.  Guess i need to go look at some pictures

[newplanet7]

There was a nifty lil thread in the rig pics section a while(years) back that had the meeks, the busmans, and the schoeps all next to each other for comparison.
I searched with no luck.

[Brian Skalinder]

There was a nifty lil thread...

This one?  http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=118090.0

[johnw]

FWIW you can buy just the schoeps A20 mic "sled" part and swap that out for the Joe Meek one if you want something to fit a 20mm mic.

[StuStu]

Another inexpensive option: http://www.pro-audio-warehouse.com/ssm5.html

[paulbaptiste]

Busman shocks have a cable clamp too!

anybody have a picture of the mic cables in that clamp-

[ArchivalAudio]

I've got a pair of Joe Meeks-  But when I got them they had just "upgraded" them to have a metal basket- ring, I ended up needing to return them for the old style.

I have a pair of Busman mounts- and they are lighter smaller and over all better than the JoeMeek's
I beleive the busman's are just like the NADY'S
http://www.nadypro.com/pd_ssm5.cfm


Not sure what busman is charging these days, but I seem to remember I got mine for a steal.
+ it's great to support one of our Taper Community  Go Busman!

[newplanet7]

There was a nifty lil thread...

This one?  http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=118090.0

Nope not that one Brian.

Busman shocks have a cable clamp too!

anybody have a picture of the mic cables in that clamp-

EVERYONE PEEP THIS THREAD! VERY DETAILED PICS!!!! And the busman mount does have the hook tie.
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=108038.msg1444476#msg1444476

[F.O.Bean]

There was a nifty lil thread...

This one?  http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=118090.0

Nope not that one Brian.

Busman shocks have a cable clamp too!

anybody have a picture of the mic cables in that clamp-

EVERYONE PEEP THIS THREAD! VERY DETAILED PICS!!!! And the busman mount does have the hook tie.
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=108038.msg1444476#msg1444476

Good find! Hmmm, they do look real nice and neat w/ the schoeps/busman mounts w that lil clip, but I already own [2] shure donuts and one windtech shock as well, so I wont be buying any of those, they do look sweet tho!

[yltfan]

Stupid question maybe, but I have to ask:
Does the little clip/lever thing do anything besides hold cables? Someone sold me a pair of the NADY's pictured above, and says the lever allows them to swivel. I'm not buying it...
The only swiveling they seem to do is angle up and down (mic pointing direction).