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Re: What do you Peak at ?
« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2021, 07:06:54 PM »
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Re: What do you Peak at ?
« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2021, 10:19:41 PM »
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Re: What do you Peak at ?
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2021, 05:30:14 PM »
I record in 32 BIT Float...I don't worry about peaks.

+1 to this. Sometimes I like to crank the channels as high as they go on my F6 so my recorded tracks have ridiculous peaks at +60 dB just for fun.  :headphones: Normalize in post, and all is fine.

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On the occasions I am recording 24-bit anymore, I go for -12 dB peaks. Going up to -6 makes me nervous. Limiters are ferboten.
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Re: What do you Peak at ?
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2021, 09:06:41 AM »
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-12 at 24bit as well.  I stay conservative and adjust in post.  Itching for 32bit so I can not worry about my peaks as I peak.
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Re: What do you Peak at ?
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2021, 09:23:30 AM »
I am for -12 at 24 bit. I boost in post.

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Re: What do you Peak at ?
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Re: What do you Peak at ?
« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2021, 10:07:35 AM »
A general trend- Big/far-away needs less headroom than small/up-close. 

I am able to safely push levels considerably higher at larger PA amplified performances and when recording from farther away. The overall level in those situations may be high, but dynamics are relatively constrained.   In contrast, I need more headroom, a whole lot more, sometimes more than I expect, when up close to small ensembles.  On stage in close proximity to a drumset the peaks can be extreme.  It's the inverse square law thing - close brings high dynamics, and also the difference in untamed acoustic energy direct from the instrument verses the same having been managed through a soundboard and reproduced through the PA.

However, the repercussions are not the same.  They are in a way, inverse.  Brief acoustic transient overs or limiter-engagement from a close/sharp/acoustic drumset "crack" are less likely to be obviously audible than slower bass-heavy driven overs / limiter-engagement of content through the PA that is much more likely to sound obviously distorted.


I do hear a significant difference in level settings that do not produce overs when I listen back to my recordings, yet after I even everything out in the DAW I hear far less difference, if any.  I want my peaks comfortably high, yet in determining what "comfortably high" is in a particular situation, I might also consider how much "foot-room" I have at the bottom in combination with how much "head-room" I'm leaving at the top.
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Re: What do you Peak at ?
« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2021, 10:57:45 PM »
I might also consider how much "foot-room" I have at the bottom in combination with how much "head-room" I'm leaving at the top.

This is definitely a big consideration in high dynamic shows. Nothing worse than running peaks at -12 or even -6 and coming home to find you hit the noise floor in a quiet section. Has happened to me a few times, usually in jazz clubs where a drum solo could easily be 20-30db louder than a solo guitar/piano interlude
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Re: What do you Peak at ?
« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2021, 10:25:48 AM »
And to complicate things, the thing I wonder about at that point is whether the noise floor of the recording audible in those quiet parts is that of my recording chain or the ambient noise-floor of the venue.  The sound of the noise tends to be pretty much the same either way when cranking up the playback levels on the quiet parts. 

That's easier to determine if one knows where the noisefloor of the recording chain actually is, but that requires testing and analysis.  Might be possible to analyse the spectrum of the noise floor on the recording to identify its origin without knowing where the recording chain noise floor lies beforehand, but that's doing the same analysis.  This is not a plea for everyone to test and analyze their recording chains to determine exactly where the system's noise-floor lies and precisely what its dynamic range capability is, rather than a reminder to be careful about making presumptions about the source of the noisefloor on a recording in the absence of that information.

Big PA amped stuff is relatively easy.  Average SPL may be high, but the acoustic noise floor is high as well, and the overall dynamic range relatively limited (both in an overall sense, and electronically at the top). The the music is likely louder than the applause, making the peak target obvious.  Once quickly dialed in, I don't worry about monitoring levels for those events.  I'm much more careful about setting and monitoring levels when up close at small scale things, where peak dynamics tend to be high and the ambient noise floor often significantly lower, even if the average SPL is not nearly as high as the big PA amped stuff.
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Re: What do you Peak at ?
« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2021, 11:04:00 AM »
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Re: What do you Peak at ?
« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2021, 05:22:41 PM »
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Re: What do you Peak at ?
« Reply #26 on: August 31, 2021, 07:57:23 PM »
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Re: What do you Peak at ?
« Reply #27 on: September 02, 2021, 12:50:55 PM »
My timing is bad so I usually peak at set break :help:
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