Topic: Avoiding Noise Floor with R-09 (need help)

[Dede2002]

Hi,

What is the lowest recording levels ( 24 bit ) to run a R-09 and not have to bother with Noise Floor when amplifing/normalizing? I'm a HLSC-1 user and always go with the Line input.
Thanks in advance

[Arni99]

Hi Sergio my man  ,
I would choose input level 8("unity gain") and make the needed gain with an external preamp, that´s what I will try this Friday at www.lovelydays.at .
best regards
Arni

[Dede2002]

Hi Sergio my man  ,
I would choose input level 8("unity gain") and make the needed gain with an external preamp, that´s what I will try this Friday at www.lovelydays.at .
best regards
Arni

Yes, that's a good idea. But assuming I'll not buy new gear in the near future, there must be another way to go. I do not tape acoustic/quiet music, I mostly tape blues, blues/rock and some jazz.
Hey, Arni: what about the DPAs?

[Church-Audio]

Hi Sergio my man  ,
I would choose input level 8("unity gain") and make the needed gain with an external preamp, that´s what I will try this Friday at www.lovelydays.at .
best regards
Arni

Yes, that's a good idea. But assuming I'll not buy new gear in the near future, there must be another way to go. I do not tape acoustic/quiet music, I mostly tape blues, blues/rock and some jazz.
Hey, Arni: what about the DPAs?

You should be able to run DPA mics 4060 series from your R-09 with out any issues... I have. I would say that your better off getting more sensitive mics if you dont want to get a preamp the only issues are as the sensitivity increase so does your likelihood of distortion...

[Arni99]

I´m still WAITING for my DPA4061s to arrive........
Hope I´ll get them today or tomorrow so I can use them at www.lovelydays.at .
waiting.......

[Dede2002]

Let me be more specific. Last night I went to this organ trio type music concert. Only when I got there I realized that the show was to be taped for a DVD. In other words, the sound level was way lower than the usual. The security guy was standing like 3 feet from my seat. No chance for me to switch to Mic In ( I was using Line In), set levels again etc. I ended up with a very nice sounding tape, but peaking around 12db, ocasionally touching the 6db ( two or three times max). That's why I'm asking if it's safe for me to just normalize the whole thing.Any help?

[dorrcoq]

Well, normalize it and see how it sounds.  Just don't delete your original files, in case you aren't happy with the results.

[Arni99]

normalizing your file will also normalize the original noise floor, so I would try to run a denoiser BEFORE you normalize it.

[guysonic]

If running 24 bit, then -12 dB lower recording level is not bad on post-normalized resolution, and yes, noise will decrease a bit with normalizations, but for most venues with loud continuous program, audible enough noise or need to process for using quality-challenging post processing likely not needed.

[Dede2002]

If running 24 bit, then -12 dB lower recording level is not bad on post-normalized resolution, and yes, noise will decrease a bit with normalizations, but for most venues with loud continuous program, audible enough noise or need to process for using quality-challenging post processing likely not needed.

Thanks a lot Guysonic. But I'm not sure if I'm following you. Noise will decrease or increase with normalization? I was under the impression the noise will certainly increase. Pardon my lack of proper knowledge

[guysonic]

If running 24 bit, then -12 dB lower recording level is not bad on post-normalized resolution, and yes, noise will decrease a bit with normalizations, but for most venues with loud continuous program, audible enough noise or need to process for using quality-challenging post processing likely not needed.

Thanks a lot Guysonic. But I'm not sure if I'm following you. Noise will decrease or increase with normalization? I was under the impression the noise will certainly increase. Pardon my lack of proper knowledge

You're right, I should have said 'noise performance will decrease with normalizations." Pardon my lack of proof reading!

[Dede2002]

If running 24 bit, then -12 dB lower recording level is not bad on post-normalized resolution, and yes, noise will decrease a bit with normalizations, but for most venues with loud continuous program, audible enough noise or need to process for using quality-challenging post processing likely not needed.

Thanks a lot Guysonic. But I'm not sure if I'm following you. Noise will decrease or increase with normalization? I was under the impression the noise will certainly increase. Pardon my lack of proper knowledge

You're right, I should have said 'noise performance will decrease with normalizations." Pardon my lack of proof reading!

No problem .