Topic: 4 Channels

[twoodruff]

I have narrowed my search for a recorder to the Tascam HS-P82 and the edirol R-44. I have questions.

Those that have the erirol r-44, do you run stock pre and a>d? What is your opinion of them? Given the opportunity would you buy again? The price difference is around $2500. Is the tascam worth the extra cash?

[halleyscomet8]

louie just bought the tascam. he can give you details on it.

[twoodruff]

guess I am more looking for input on the r44. MOst edirol products I have seen have a cheap feel to them, is the R-44 a solid piece of gear?

[kirk97132]

It's plastic and was smaller than I thought it would be.  Very solid performer with a very small learning curve. I ran pre's in front of both channels but it sounded ok on it's own.  That said the Tascam unit would offer way more features and has better sounding pre's out of the box.  BUT...you could run two R-44's with a Sound devices USBPre2 to keep them in sync for less money.    For me I'd buy an eight track.  as for four track decks the R-44 would be my only choice.   

[bhadella]

I have narrowed my search for a recorder to the Tascam HS-P82 and the edirol R-44. I have questions.

Those that have the erirol r-44, do you run stock pre and a>d? What is your opinion of them? Given the opportunity would you buy again? The price difference is around $2500. Is the tascam worth the extra cash?

I love my R44 and use an external pre-amp (Sonosax) and a/d (Sound Devices USBPre2).   I've never had any issues with mine and don't know of anyone to have reliability issues with the R44.

IMO:  If you are planning on running an external pre-amp and only using two channels for mics (+ two channels for SBDs), I'd buy a R44.  You can get an external a/d (AD2K, Mytek, USBPre2) if you dislike the stock a/d for less than 1K.

If you plan on normally running atleast 4 channels of mics and no external pres, I'd buy theTascam HS-P82.

[acidjack]

I run an Oade Mod R-44 with a variety of pres in front of it, including the USBpre2 which is probably my favorite.   Although it is plastic, I find it to be very rugged feeling.  I also find it to be highly reliable, and the footprint is small. I've even "stealthed" with it (where a door search wasn't involved).   

I'm not really sure anything was wrong with the stock pres and I have great pulls with both.   I don't always run an external pre and am happy not to when I want a smaller gear bag.

The Tascam I have not used, but things that are obviously true about it are:
-- It is significantly larger
-- It is made by Tascam
-- It has 4 more channels

I'd love to have a compact 8-channel deck, but to me, for the rare times I'd need that, the -44 + syncing with the USBPre2 to a second deck is about as good an option, and means my bag is lighter the other 95% of the time I don't need more than 8 channels. 

[Fried Chicken Boy]

I've run my R-44 for over 3 years and have nothing but praise for it.  I'd buy it again in a heartbeat as I don't think there's anything else with its dependability and capabilities in that price range.  The outer case is plastic but it has a very solid feel to it.  While I don't abuse my gear, I don't exactly baby it either and the R-44 has never hiccuped except due to user error (read: me).  Mine is stock, no Oade or Busman mods, I've never run a separate A/D or pre in front of it mainly for simplicity's sake and, in my opinion, I think the stock pre's can sound great and are very capable.  At the risk of looking like a shameless plug, there are plenty of samples of it in action HERE.

That said, if you have the need for 8 channels and don't mind dropping the extra ~3k, the Tascam HS-P82 appears to be the way to go.  Looks like a cool machine with a lot of bells & whistles.  The next least expensive 8-track portable deck, I believe, is the Sound Devices 788t and that's around $6500.

[H₂O]

In the $6.5k range you do have a few more options

Aeta 4minx
Sonosax sx-r4

For $5k there is the sonosax minir82

Also zaxcom nomad may be worth looking at as well


You can pick up used 744s for about $3k


But at $3.5k the hs-p82 is hard to beat - you prob don't need a m148 with it's pres though

And I am pretty sure the usm has trano outs so you should get some warmth there

[twoodruff]

the tascam is $3500.

[Todd R]

The R44 is plastic, but it must have a pretty robust metal frame inside since it seems very robust.

Overall, the R44 is very sturdy and reliable, very easy to use, and a rock-solid recorder you can count on to get the job done.  I had the Oade mod R44 and it seemed fine as an all-in-one recorder, though I generally used it with a V3 in front.

I have no problem recommending it for a taper's recorder.  I replaced mine with a Tascam DR680 since I wanted to play around a bit with >4ch, but then ditched it to concentrate mainly on 2ch recording.  The 680 has some good features and extra channels, but given its history I'd have a harder time recommending it.  The R44 though -- go for it.

[cybergaloot]

I've had my R-44 since they came out and it is stock, no mods. I dropped mine onto a concrete floor and it only made a slight ding. I've run it inside and outside, in dusty conditions many times and in the rain (covered of course). It has worked like a champ since day one. People seem to have three main problems with them: 1: hooking up an external battery with polarity crossed 2: not liking the 6db jumps in analog gain 3: Some also complain about not being able to see the meters clearly. I don't have a problem with the meters personally. I've read where some people worried about the flat spots. You can not hear that small flat spot so don't worry about it. The 6db jumps are good in a way in that the recorder makes a slight microsecond flat spot in the wave form so you can actually find where the adjustment was made if you need to.  Oh, some people have had trouble with certain SD cards in the R-44 but I never have.

I have to ask, why get a modded R-44 then run a preamp in front of it? This makes no sense to me. The preamps that come with the R-44 may not be as good as say, a Grace V3, but they aren't bad either.

[twoodruff]

I've had my R-44 since they came out and it is stock, no mods. I dropped mine onto a concrete floor and it only made a slight ding. I've run it inside and outside, in dusty conditions many times and in the rain (covered of course). It has worked like a champ since day one. People seem to have three main problems with them: 1: hooking up an external battery with polarity crossed 2: not liking the 6db jumps in analog gain 3: Some also complain about not being able to see the meters clearly. I don't have a problem with the meters personally. I've read where some people worried about the flat spots. You can not hear that small flat spot so don't worry about it. The 6db jumps are good in a way in that the recorder makes a slight microsecond flat spot in the wave form so you can actually find where the adjustment was made if you need to.  Oh, some people have had trouble with certain SD cards in the R-44 but I never have.

I have to ask, why get a modded R-44 then run a preamp in front of it? This makes no sense to me. The preamps that come with the R-44 may not be as good as say, a Grace V3, but they aren't bad either.

thanks for the input, i dont think i am going to get a modded r-44.

[cybergaloot]

If you get an R-44 I'd recommend getting an external DVD battery to power it through long shows. It will run a pretty long time on the AA batteries internally but why risk it? Just make sure the cable from the external battery to the R-44 is the right polarity. There are folks here on the Tapers Section who can make you one if you aren't sure you want to do it yourself. BTW, the R-44 will fail over to the internal batteries seamlessly. Also like most (if not all) digital recorders, the file size limit is 2GB. However it will automatically start a new file with no time lost.

[twoodruff]

If you get an R-44 I'd recommend getting an external DVD battery to power it through long shows. It will run a pretty long time on the AA batteries internally but why risk it? Just make sure the cable from the external battery to the R-44 is the right polarity. There are folks here on the Tapers Section who can make you one if you aren't sure you want to do it yourself. BTW, the R-44 will fail over to the internal batteries seamlessly. Also like most (if not all) digital recorders, the file size limit is 2GB. However it will automatically start a new file with no time lost.

I am geting an R-44, made up my mind last night. Can you or someone show me the right external DVD battery to get?

[cybergaloot]

I don't see the exact ones I bought a couple of years ago but it will be something like this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-Portable-DVD-External-Battery-9V-2600mAh-23Wh-/360177858994?pt=US_Batteries&hash=item53dc45f9b2

There might be something better out now, I don't know. The R-44 can accept a fairly wide range of voltages, but watch that polarity. Edirol (AKA Roland) seems to like to make their DC input jack the reverse of the rest of the planet for some reason.

Team R-44 here at the Taper's Section can answer any questions you might have about any quirks.