Topic: Neumann KM-184/KM100 Shock mount/mic clip alternative

[John Willett]

That pic looks pretty sexy.  And the cable clip.  Wow.   

Looking forward to getting these delivered soon....

If you can, also get the Rycote S-series XLR tail (£15 in the UK).  This is shown in the picture - it's a thin and flexible tail that stops cable noise being transmitted to the mic. via the cable - I use these myself.

[John Willett]

How rigid is the clip that holds the mic?  Is it rigid enough that there's no mic sagging but flexible enough to adequately provide sound isolation from shocks to the mic stand? 

If the mic stand falls over, what are the chances that lyre piece will crack or break?

The Rycote InVision is the toughest mount on the market.  It's made from "Hytrel" - you can tye the lyred in knots and they unfold back to their original position and I have seen them thrown across a room and they don't break.  They are the best there is and I have changed all my mounts for all my microphones to the Rycote now.

[stevetoney]

That pic looks pretty sexy.  And the cable clip.  Wow.   

Looking forward to getting these delivered soon....

If you can, also get the Rycote S-series XLR tail (£15 in the UK).  This is shown in the picture - it's a thin and flexible tail that stops cable noise being transmitted to the mic. via the cable - I use these myself.

So John, I couldn't find the XLR tails on the Rycote site. 

I guess you're saying that the clip shown on the mount that the cable loops into isn't part of the basic mount...it costs extra? 

Does that clip simply slide over the base of the mount then?

Does it click into place such that it's kinda there permanently or do you have to put in on and take it off every time you disconnect the mount or risk losing the clip?   

Thinking out loud about whether I'd want to buy these, 30 pounds seems like a ton of money for two plastic clips that could be easy to lose, but then again I know Rycote stuff isn't cheap. 

Functionally do the clips add anything that a strip of velcro which holds the slack on the cable doesn't?

Thanks!

[it-goes-to-eleven]

For those on a tight budget, they sell just the replacement clips.  You could buy those and attach them to some other pivots, or whatever.

[John Willett]

That pic looks pretty sexy.  And the cable clip.  Wow.   

Looking forward to getting these delivered soon....

If you can, also get the Rycote S-series XLR tail (£15 in the UK).  This is shown in the picture - it's a thin and flexible tail that stops cable noise being transmitted to the mic. via the cable - I use these myself.

So John, I couldn't find the XLR tails on the Rycote site. 

I guess you're saying that the clip shown on the mount that the cable loops into isn't part of the basic mount...it costs extra? 

Does that clip simply slide over the base of the mount then?

Does it click into place such that it's kinda there permanently or do you have to put in on and take it off every time you disconnect the mount or risk losing the clip?   

Thinking out loud about whether I'd want to buy these, 30 pounds seems like a ton of money for two plastic clips that could be easy to lose, but then again I know Rycote stuff isn't cheap. 

Functionally do the clips add anything that a strip of velcro which holds the slack on the cable doesn't?

Thanks!

No - the clip is part of the INV mount.



What I am saying is that the short thin and flexible XLR-3F to XLR-3M tail that Rycote do as an optional extra is well worth getting as it helps decouple the mic. from the normal cable.

[Massive Dynamic]

For those on a tight budget, they sell just the replacement clips.  You could buy those and attach them to some other pivots, or whatever.

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No pic, but I think this is what you might be looking for- http://www.adorama.com/RY042202.html Also available at B&H for the same price. If you can afford Neumann, the INV-3 look like a great accessory. For those who can't, a little DIY to the rescue.

[Massive Dynamic]

Some photos of my prototype made from 3/4" wide red oak trim. Might make one with a base of plexiglas later.







Total cost was less than $35 with shipping figured in. You'll need M3 x 16mm bolts and M3 nuts. Hole needed is 1/8" for the M3 bolts. I drilled a 1/4" hole for the center mounting hole.

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                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                                             Gheto Style..But they should work

[John Willett]

Some photos of my prototype made from 3/4" wide red oak trim. Might make one with a base of plexiglas later.







Total cost was less than $35 with shipping figured in. You'll need M3 x 16mm bolts and M3 nuts. Hole needed is 1/8" for the M3 bolts. I drilled a 1/4" hole for the center mounting hole.

Interesting - but it does strike me as rather silly to spend lots of money on a mic. and then try and save a few pennies by cobbling together such a mount - and it still does not swivel.

The original Rycote InVision retails at only £30 +VAT in the UK and the XLR tail only about £15 +VAT - compared to several hundred for the mic.itself. 

[axomxa]

Some photos of my prototype made from 3/4" wide red oak trim. Might make one with a base of plexiglas later.







Total cost was less than $35 with shipping figured in. You'll need M3 x 16mm bolts and M3 nuts. Hole needed is 1/8" for the M3 bolts. I drilled a 1/4" hole for the center mounting hole.

Interesting - but it does strike me as rather silly to spend lots of money on a mic. and then try and save a few pennies by cobbling together such a mount - and it still does not swivel.

The original Rycote InVision retails at only £30 +VAT in the UK and the XLR tail only about £15 +VAT - compared to several hundred for the mic.itself. 

With John's point well taken it still says something about uniqueness and of course ingenuity 

[jdwtyl]

Have you looked into the JM27 shock mount? It's cheap, has an open top (so the neumann logo doesn't get pulled off), and it's a perfect fit for the mics. I used them before I sold my 184s with no problems at all.

[Massive Dynamic]

Interesting - but it does strike me as rather silly to spend lots of money on a mic. and then try and save a few pennies by cobbling together such a mount - and it still does not swivel.

The original Rycote InVision retails at only £30 +VAT in the UK and the XLR tail only about £15 +VAT - compared to several hundred for the mic.itself. 

I think I agreed with you a couple of posts ago; if you can afford Neumanns, the InVision is a cool accessory. Sometimes customizing something to fit your specific needs is necessary when the mfgr doesn't do so. I really think there is something to be said for encouraging creativity, though.

At any rate, it took me about 5 minutes to come up with two different options to address your swivel criticism; took only an hour and a half to make them. Here are the parts needed.


Here is one option mounted on a vert bar I "cobbled together" as a low-weight alternative to the A27M.




Here is the other option using a 1/4" eye-bolt. Can be maneuvered into almost any position.

[Fried Chicken Boy]

Very cool, MD.  If memory serves me correct, you're also using this mount with Milabs, no?

FWIW, you could also use a Manfrotto Rapid Adapter and screw its stud directly into the base of your mount and affix it to the stud on top of your stand.  Would give you the horizontal rotation if you require it.

[Massive Dynamic]

Very cool, MD.  If memory serves me correct, you're also using this mount with Milabs, no?

Yes, but without continuing this threadjack, I've started a new thread, http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=155687.0

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Very cool, MD.  If memory serves me correct, you're also using this mount with Milabs, no?

FWIW, you could also use a Manfrotto Rapid Adapter and screw its stud directly into the base of your mount and affix it to the stud on top of your stand.  Would give you the horizontal rotation if you require it.

Thats what I do. There are some pictures in the clamp thread with it IIRC.

I think i own 3 or 4 rapid adaptors as a result...

I've found that using anything heavier than standard actives with a standard ortf delrin bar and the inv-6 sags more then I like. For wider spacings or heavier stuff, I use the inv-hg. If I could get the stiffer lyres with the inv-6 openings, I'd buy them and replace the middle bar section, but I don't want to give up the stiffer lyres.

John?