Topic: ADK TLs...

[Brian]

stack tape? sorry for all the questions, just trying to paint some sort of picture.

moke - 8" is too tight eh?  i guess it all really depends how close you are to the sound source.  i'll just have to experiment then, come august!

[creekfreak]

stack tape? sorry for all the questions, just trying to paint some sort of picture.

moke - 8" is too tight eh?  i guess it all really depends how close you are to the sound source.  i'll just have to experiment then, come august!

I wouldn't say a stack tape, DFC for sure, close to the stage

[Brian]

cool, thanks mike!  can't wait to try the j-disc out!

last questions creek, i promise - acoustic or PA and about how far away from the stage.

[creekfreak]

PA, maybe 30ft from the stage

[keepongoin]

I ran a 24' (approximately) split omnis at hornings hideout for david bromberg and yonder mountain string band.  it rocks, IMO. 


http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=15750

also

blumlein the night before:
http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=15717

and XY from the night before that:

http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=15700

[Tony B]

space em out a bit further, you'll like the results much more...

I would've, but I was the only taper there. Well, I think there was one guy taping for the Wu (this was the Violent Femmes and the Wu at Taste of Minnesota), but he was just doing SBD. At any rate, I'd love to try that JDisc once it's made its rounds.

Great mics, though. Ok. Fluff mode off (I refuse to spell with a "PH") 

[TenoRichards]

no, not too tight, but it can produce some really tight panning. Yes, mic location in relation to source is everything!

The beauty of the 4 mic bar is that you can pretty much cover everything from the mics butted tight to the disc, and out to about 17", 18"?? apart depending on mounts. So you can really craft a custom sound with some mic position tweaking.

I'm going to fly my new mini 4060 j-disc for the first time on sunday!! yea!!
(maybe saturday, but I might be doing open, accepted stealth recording in a tie on saturday!! a friggin tie, I dont even own one of those life choking beasts!!)

Moke, I'm very interested in this mini J-disc. I have searched and only see pix of the larger one you made. Can you point me in the direction where this is talked about? With my impending 4060's, and instances when I wouldn't have to necessarily stealth (empty theater sitzprobe) I'd be interested in running this setup.

My wife is getting ansy at my spending money. DAMN YOU TO H-e-DOUBLE HOCKY STICKS!

No tie? uHM....bro....you hafta get OUT more!

[Cooker]

I assume you meant 8 feet not inches? 

Fuck the napkin! We had a stonehenge monument in danger of being trampled by a dwarf!

[zowie]

Wouldn't it be better to run as cards in tight (like 8") spacing AB?

[Brian]

jsut playing devil's advocate here to help you answer your own questions as i've been finding this whole omni spacing thing quite fascinating....

what about usung cards in that situation would lead you to belive that it would be better?

[zowie]

I would think there would be a more believable image if sound from the far right is attenuated in the left channel because it is outside the heart of the card pattern, and vice versa with sound from the left in right channel.

[Brian]

good call!  makes logical sense to me!

i think creekfreak was experimenting, but i'm also guessing he was recording off of a mono PA and wanted to know how the omnis would sound.....

see i'm all about the stereo configs if there is an actual stereo mix.  I usually run xy if it is not.  however there are lots of people who prefer the "off-axis" sound their mics produce with near coincident patterns even if recording off of a mono PA. for example lots of sr77 owners swear by ORTF no matter what situaton because there is something about the off-axis sound that is more pleasing with the mics this way.

with the TL's and a lot of LD mics, there off-axis pickup is nowhere near as good as SD's and can be quite sloppy.  so(95% of the time) i'll only run near coincident if there is a stereo mix or if i'm way FOBDFC in the sweet spot where i'll usually just go Cardioids 17cm90º (DINa) or split omnis.

now in a TS(not FOB) say at a big festival,  i might go hypers DIN if i am DFC to help bring the music more upfront, or split omnis....and if i'm not DFC i'll just go XY at one of the stacks being that far away and all.

[creekfreak]

experimenting is exactly what I was doing, and the tapes came out great. It was a mono PA for sure...

[zowie]

I bought TLs particularly for use with classical on which stereo image is particularly important -- need to preserve relationship of instruments, as well as sense of space.

[Brian]

I bought TLs particularly for use with classical on which stereo image is particularly important -- need to preserve relationship of instruments, as well as sense of space.

nice! you and moke should start talking to each other...... that's all he tapes and he used to use TLs

what techniques have you used so far?  i'm looking to get into more "acoustic" type recordings of orchestral ensembles, jazz ensembles, and all types of different acoustical ensembles(african, middle eastern music)