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? Audacity Q's ?'s -Mac based
« on: July 28, 2008, 06:15:15 PM »
Hi
So after some  initial messing around in
Audacity 1.3.3
I am on Mac OSX 10.3.9
I have 2 questions

How
in a live recording

can I perform a cross fade between 2 tracks ( at a tape flip)


and
does anyone

know of any free (for OSX)
plugin for M-S decoding?

specifically  to make a "fake" stereo
from a dual mono track
or other stereo simulators?


I have experience with
Peak
Cubase
AudioDesk
and others

started to dabble with Audacity
since I can do wave form edits, which I can not do in AudioDesk

thanx


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Re: Audacity Q's ?'s
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2008, 06:32:03 PM »
With respect to Audacity plugins, I think you'll find most don't work well at all.  Last I used Audacity, it didn't support VST plugin's UI, and instead substituted is own UI.  So all the knobs / faders / buttons, etc. turned into a single type of slider, and all the values for the controls changed from the actual VST value and into a value between 0 and 1.  Using Voxengo's free MS plugin, MSED, for example...



...resulted in the following UI changes:

  • Inline / Decode / Encode button turned into a slider with values from 0 to 1.  You'll have to map at what point between 0 and 1 the functionality changes from Inline to Decode to Encode.
  • Mid Gain knob turned into a slider with values from 0 to 1.  You'll have to map how the interim values between 0 and 1 correspond to dB settings.
  • Side Gain knob turned into a slider with values from 0 to 1.  You'll have to map how the interim values between 0 and 1 correspond to dB settings.

You have to do this type of mapping for every control on every VST plugin you want to use with Audacity.  PITA, and one of the reasons I no longer use Audacity.

As for cross-fading, the way I used to do it (there might be a better way, dunno, but not that I recall) was simply to employ a fade to each track independently:

  • Set up Track A in the Track # 1 slot.
  • Set up Track B in the Track #2 slot.
  • Align the two tracks so the amount of time during which they overlap matches the length of the crossfade you'd like to employ.
  • Fade-out Track A, starting the fade-out at the time when Track B starts to play and ending when Track A ends.
  • Fade-in Track B, starting at Track B's beginning and ending when Track A ends.

Visually, it looks something like this:

[--------------TRACK A-------fade-out]
                             [fade-in--------------TRACK B--------------]
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Re: Audacity Q's ?'s
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2008, 11:53:37 PM »
Brian
thanx
for the reply

I think that  there is now a VST bridge
...
however
I am not sure it will work for me
the sweet MS plugin you mentioned is only windoz compatible :(

I noticed the label (track) points in audacity have movable handles, and this may help me to "crossfade" the tracks where I had a tape flip[

I am trying to master my JGB 1990-11-12  in which one channel is horrid
so I recorded the other 24/48 split mono
and since there are no circulating copies of this show
I figured it was time I get it mastered

I'll keep trying

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Re: Audacity Q's ?'s
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2008, 01:41:28 AM »
I think that  there is now a VST bridge
...
however
I am not sure it will work for me
the sweet MS plugin you mentioned is only windoz compatible :(

Ah, rats...I read the "Download Types" and thought it was listing the VST's actual availability.

I noticed the label (track) points in audacity have movable handles, and this may help me to "crossfade" the tracks where I had a tape flip

Cool, hope that works - sounds easier than my method.
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Re: Audacity Q's ?'s
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2008, 09:46:38 PM »
I looked at the types too...
thought it was also for OSX

I'm not sure the handles will work how I thought

also
any one know a good way to resample
or redither
an Audacuty file that's 24/96
to 16/44.1
when I did that it seems to time stretch and mess up the label (track) points

I tried to export but
it seemed that it was not compatible to make it 16/ 44.1

any ideas?

r8Brain is a windows only app too...?
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Re: Audacity Q's ?'s
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2008, 12:34:22 AM »
any ideas
on freeware for OSX
like r8brain
that converts 24/96- to 16/44.1
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Re: Audacity Q's ?'s
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2008, 02:01:01 PM »
I looked at the types too...
thought it was also for OSX

I'm not sure the handles will work how I thought

also
any one know a good way to resample
or redither
an Audacuty file that's 24/96
to 16/44.1
when I did that it seems to time stretch and mess up the label (track) points

I tried to export but
it seemed that it was not compatible to make it 16/ 44.1

any ideas?

r8Brain is a windows only app too...?
i don't know of an answer but i can confirm mine comes out a different time when i resample and dither too, usually like 4 secs different
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Re: Audacity Q's ?'s
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2008, 02:29:14 PM »
any ideas
on freeware for OSX
like r8brain
that converts 24/96- to 16/44.1
?
not sure of features but I keep seeing Xact come up when macs are mentioned Ian. 
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/21952
Check it out maybe it'll help, Kirk

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Re: Audacity Q's ?'s
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2008, 07:47:57 PM »
I use "ssrc" on linux for converting 24/96 to 16/44.
http://www.afterdawn.com/software/audio_software/audio_tools/ssrc.cfm

I downloaded the source and did a "./configure; make; make install", and it will probably build on Mac... or mac binaries may exist.

I believe ssrc does a very good job, and since this dithering/resampling is a lot of mathematical heavy lifting (done right) it stands to reason that it will be slow... I use all the high precision dither options, and for a typical 2 show set it will take 20 minutes to run on my 3 year old Pentium 4.  I just go get a cup of coffee while is running, and consider it a small price to pay for what I believe is the best quality conversion available.

I used audacity at first, but I got glitchy results at times.  I considered this a huge step up.
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Re: Audacity Q's ?'s
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2008, 01:52:44 PM »
any ideas
on freeware for OSX
like r8brain
that converts 24/96- to 16/44.1
?
not sure of features but I keep seeing Xact come up when macs are mentioned Ian. 
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/21952
Check it out maybe it'll help, Kirk
xact will not dither/resample
it will do things like decode/encode shn/flac, md5/ffp, sbe, rip
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Re: Audacity Q's ?'s
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2008, 03:21:00 PM »
any ideas
on freeware for OSX
like r8brain
that converts 24/96- to 16/44.1
?
not sure of features but I keep seeing Xact come up when macs are mentioned Ian. 
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/21952
Check it out maybe it'll help, Kirk
xact will not dither/resample
it will do things like decode/encode shn/flac, md5/ffp, sbe, rip
Ah, thanx for info.

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Re: Audacity Q's ?'s
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2008, 12:31:31 AM »
hey
Will
Kirk
smokinjoe
and everyone
thanx
for the suggestions

I was at the Pickathon all weekend  it was Awesome!
best festival as always! ;)

I try some searching of my own
and check out the
afterdawn stuff...

peace
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Re: Audacity Q's ?'s
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2008, 12:44:54 PM »
ok
so
my main issue
now
is
how to redither or convert
my
24/96 files
to 16/44.1

so I can up my RTF  at CD burining standards
I have trying to think of work arounds..
reimporting the tracked waves?
may be into my cubase le or audiodesk?

dunno

this is a bummer
since I thought it would be easy to export  (or redither) 24/96 to 16/44.1

any Mac suggestions?

thanx in advance

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Re: ? Audacity Q's ?'s -Mac based
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2008, 01:13:25 PM »
It's not free but Sound Studio can handle all this and it is quite intuitive.  Much more 'mac like' in my opinion than audacity.  The free trial is full function so no risk...
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Re: Audacity Q's ?'s
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2008, 04:34:25 PM »
how to redither or convert

The Audacity workflow thread stickied to the top of the forum should explain how to do this.
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