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Re: Panels ? what Panels ??
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2008, 01:44:14 AM »
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I sat Sarah in the "zone" and asked for 30 seconds of her time to listen to them.
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the idea of my wife sitting down after seeing those in our living room makes me smile... more power to you, though...

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« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2008, 07:56:11 AM »
Shes hot for you Nick. She'd probably hit you.
She rolled my finger up in the power window,.. so I'll leave it up to your imagination fom there (what I mean by hit.).

Yeah, its the ML's and the light shining thru that she likes.  That is a pretty cool thing.

oh sure Mike...I can hear her "I'd hit that...., where's my spiked ring?"
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« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2008, 08:49:22 AM »
Nicks secret is simple. If you were hung like a rabid field mouse your wife would have pitty on you & "allow" you to have HUGE speakers to compensate. Geez, you guys overlook the obvious sometimes  ;D
I know you like, tape for people's approval and stuff, and wave your tapes around like they're your dick...  but even you can't actually think section tapes from philips sound good.  



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Re: Panels ? what Panels ??
« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2008, 11:48:26 AM »
Sarge is intrigued with these big guns for some reason, especially the ML's.  Big speakers don't seem to bother her, unless she can't get around them, or if they're turned up too much.

I'm lucky my woman seems to have the same attitude, but I've presently got a center speaker sitting on a stool which makes navigating the family room a bit of an obstacle course.  I believe I'm pushing the limits.  Bring on the panels.  ;)
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« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2008, 08:31:53 AM »
she laid it into me last night...., I fear that these will be short lived.
I already sold the MLs...., so back to the drawing board.

on a good note, she is asking for something that will become "furniture"..., so that means a nice finish to match the varios shades of Cherry in the room.

Odyssey Lorielli's perhaps ?
or, save a little for the ML Vantage.

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« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2008, 03:00:06 PM »
Are you a DIY speaker type guy, Nick?
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« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2008, 06:38:02 AM »
I could be...
what have you got for a suggestion?

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« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2008, 12:24:30 PM »
Work? what work?.. Its' Friday, you asked and now I've typed way to much, but this might be right up your alley panel guy-  ;)

I've really enjoyed following Stan Linkwitz's development of his Orion dipole speakers on his website over the past 6 or 7 years (guy who developed the Linkwitz-Riley x-over).  That's partly because I admire his thoroughly scientific and empirical, self-critical approach completely devoid of snake oil, partly because I've learned a lot from his detailed explanations and reasoning of what is important in speaker reproduction at home and partly because I really want to build a pair.  I very nearly ordered the plans and circuit boards to start building them 4 years ago, but then I bought a house.  :-\  I should have gone with the speakers.

It's an unusual design that aims for the very best attributes of both panel speakers and dynamics, with emphasis on room interaction in a regular living room vs a treated space, judged against live music reproduction.

He ends up with an active dipole speaker with all dynamic drivers, even the bass.  It requires a dedicated active 3-way crossover and and a separate channel of amplification for each driver.  With the optional subs the crossover becomes a 4-way, but that's mostly for heavy home theater type sub headroom and unnecessary for music besides perhaps pipe organ.  A recently added rear tweeter makes the fig-8 dipole radiation with side null unvarying across the full frequency range.

Pros-
Full range dipole source -3 dB at 30 Hz, -6 dB at 20 Hz. (with out optional mono-polar enclosed subs)
Improved low frequency interaction with the room from the unusually low dipole range.
Improved mid and high radiation pattern vs traditional monopole box speakers.
Improved radiation pattern vs panels in the high frequencies.
The full dynamics & impact of dynamic drivers.
Designed as a complete system past the preamp: EQ/timing/X-over/amplification/drivers/baffles is all optimized as a cohesive unit.
Relatively small towers compared to planar speakers.
My woman gives here aesthetic approval.
Great cost /performance ratio.


Cons-
You gotta build it (although the electronics are also available partially assembled & now you can buy the cabinet parts cut or fully built from an associated shop)
You need at least 6, preferably 8 channels of dedicated amplification, 10-12 with subs.
Designed as a complete system past the preamp so if you love to swap amps or want to use a favored amp for color it's not for you.
Placement restrictions like any dipole- preferably 4' from the back wall.
With a separate amp channel per driver, there are lots of speaker and interconnects cables. I'd go with muliti-conductor cable and Speakon connectors.

Cost is from $2300 DIY up to around $8k+ fully built, finished and ready to go including the amps depending on how much building & soldering you want to do.

I haven't heard them but I'll search out some previous builders here in FL before I commit.  There is contact info on his site linked above for a guy who built a pair in Portland, ME willing to give a listen if interested. I'll do this some day.

sepearate builder/owner board here
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« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2008, 12:26:49 PM »
Jeesh, I should get a fan-boy commisson..

Some Orion photos-



Thor sub x2 or x4





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« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2008, 03:19:51 PM »
:drool:
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« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2008, 04:57:14 PM »
...
on a good note, she is asking for something that will become "furniture"..., so that means a nice finish to match the varios shades of Cherry in the room.
...

Did you check into sending the Maggie's back to MN so they can recover them for you with cherry pieces?  Just had my MG12's at the factory for a buzzing issue.  They ripped them down, re-ran the voice coil, and of course had to recover/ side them.  So they asked what colors I wanted.  I wanted the same, so they ended up black/ cherry again, but was much cheaper than I thought.  The 3.3's would certainly be more expensive, but worth a call to find out.  Those are gorgeous sounding speakers, they wouldn't leave my house because of asthetic reasons :)

wtf, this room looks familiar! http://maine.craigslist.org/ele/858782883.html

EDIT:  Oh, and someone asked about running Maggies solid state.  I have a solid state Audio Research D120, and think they sound fantastic.  I've heard them on my dad's tube amp, and think the solid state is just as nice on these.
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« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2008, 05:44:40 PM »
LOL he has to sell it already

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« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2008, 04:53:12 PM »
Work? what work?.. Its' Friday, you asked and now I've typed way to much, but this might be right up your alley panel guy-  ;)

I've really enjoyed following Stan Linkwitz's development of his Orion dipole speakers on his website over the past 6 or 7 years (guy who developed the Linkwitz-Riley x-over).  That's partly because I admire his thoroughly scientific and empirical, self-critical approach completely devoid of snake oil, partly because I've learned a lot from his detailed explanations and reasoning of what is important in speaker reproduction at home and partly because I really want to build a pair.  I very nearly ordered the plans and circuit boards to start building them 4 years ago, but then I bought a house.  :-\  I should have gone with the speakers.




very high praise of the Orions here

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« Reply #28 on: October 14, 2008, 05:19:00 PM »
Mmmmmm...Maggie 3.x.   :drool:  Unfortunately, my listening / LR is barely big enough for my VR-2s, let alone those Maggie Monsters.  Bet they sound sweet!  :coolguy:
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« Reply #29 on: October 15, 2008, 09:31:34 AM »
they do..., but they are hideous on the WAF front.
they block all the light coming in the room as they are parked in front of the only two windows there.

Seth..., its not fun to laugh at another mans angst.
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+T anyway for making me laugh too

 

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