Author Topic: Hi-MD Recorder (Read 6519 times)

beefstew · « **on:** July 12, 2006, 06:32:55 PM »

Whats a good Hi-MD recorder?
Im looking to buy one, but i have no idea whats good and whats not good.

my price range - $0-$200

Also could someone point out a decent mic too?
price range - $0-$100
not looking for stealth here

beefstew · « **Reply #1 on:** July 12, 2006, 07:21:01 PM »

well i think i found a nice Hi-MD recorder within my price range

Sony MZ-RH910 Hi-MD Walkman http://reviews-zdnet.com.com/Sony_MZ_RH910_Hi_MD_Walkman/4507-6450_16-31303109.html?tag=nav

any thoughts on this? :-\l

dunebug81 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 12, 2006, 07:22:15 PM »

The new RH1 just came out but its about $120 over your price. I currently have the RH10 and I love it. You can get one new for about $250 and is worlds better then the RH910 because the 910 does not have the OLED so its hard to see at night. Im considering selling my RH10 so I can buy the RH1...Ive got the box and everything for it make me an offer if you're interested. Its just over a year old and is in pretty good shape except for a few scratches on the front from stealthing / putting in and taking it out of my pocket.

Edit to say:

http://www.minidisco.com/Sony-MZ-M100?sc=7&category=10

That is the M100 which is the same as the RH10 but has support for uploading to a mac. I dont know if you need that or not but its the only difference.

Scooter · « **Reply #3 on:** July 12, 2006, 07:23:55 PM »

are you dead set on a Hi MD?? There are media-less (to say that you only need to buy the media once, or are hard disc based) options to be had for the same amount of $ you want to spend.

poorlyconditioned · « **Reply #4 on:** July 12, 2006, 07:29:18 PM »

Quote from: Scooter on July 12, 2006, 07:23:55 PM

are you dead set on a Hi MD?? There are media-less (to say that you only need to buy the media once, or are hard disc based) options to be had for the same amount of $ you want to spend.

HiMD and regular MD media is RW, that is, it can be erased and rewritten.

So, just buy a pack of five HiMD 1G disks and keep using over and over again.

In some ways, this is cheaper than flash memory. But not cheaper than an internal hard drive.

Richard

beefstew · « **Reply #5 on:** July 12, 2006, 07:29:44 PM »

Quote from: Scooter on July 12, 2006, 07:23:55 PM

are you dead set on a Hi MD?? There are media-less (to say that you only need to buy the media once, or are hard disc based) options to be had for the same amount of $ you want to spend.

hmm id like to hear the other options!

dunebug81 · « **Reply #6 on:** July 12, 2006, 07:44:57 PM »

Quote from: poorlyconditioned on July 12, 2006, 07:29:18 PM

In some ways, this is cheaper than flash memory. But not cheaper than an internal hard drive.

Richard

But if your HD goes south in the iriver or jb3 your whole rig is dead. If you bust a MD youre only out a few bux.

Beefstew, you can get a Nomad Jutebox 3 for cheap on ebay. Its not as small but folks on here sure do seem to use them quite a bit.

beefstew · « **Reply #7 on:** July 12, 2006, 08:01:46 PM »

hmm it looks interesting

what other things would i need if i purchased one of those?

dunebug81 · « **Reply #8 on:** July 12, 2006, 08:28:59 PM »

Some mics and maybe a preamp depending on the mics. I dont know much about the jb3 other then its about the size of a discman with a 20gb hd in it.

Im sticking with MD till the format dies.

beefstew · « **Reply #9 on:** July 12, 2006, 08:32:22 PM »

I think im going to go with the MZ-RH910 Hi-MD

whats a good cheap mic for recording a small, but loud, club show?
no stealth needed

im lookin at these ones
Sony ECM-DS70P
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=225510&is=REG&addedTroughType=categoryNavigation

Sony ECM-MS907 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=details_accessories&A=details&Q=&sku=150434&is=REG&addedTroughValue=376664_REG&addedTroughType=accessory_detail

dunebug81 · « **Reply #10 on:** July 12, 2006, 08:36:51 PM »

Where are you going to buy the 910 from? I didnt see it listed on soundpros or minidisco.

I hear that the church audio mics are pretty good and wont break the bank. Ive never personally used them but I've heard good things.

beefstew · « **Reply #11 on:** July 12, 2006, 09:02:48 PM »

Quote from: dunebug81 on July 12, 2006, 08:36:51 PM

Where are you going to buy the 910 from? I didnt see it listed on soundpros or minidisco.

I hear that the church audio mics are pretty good and wont break the bank. Ive never personally used them but I've heard good things.

buying the 910 from http://www.bhphotovideo.com

ya im looking for a good mic that wont break my wallet

any suggestions on a "church mic"?

dunebug81 · « **Reply #12 on:** July 12, 2006, 09:17:00 PM »

Mr. Church audio hangs out here. Ill let him give you pointers on what to get since he makes the gear.

$165.00 is a pretty sweet deal on the deck...I think Id still spend the extra few bux for the OLED display, its so nice having a night bright display at a show to get a quick level check.

beefstew · « **Reply #13 on:** July 12, 2006, 09:37:22 PM »

2 more questions (man im suck a n00b

)

what "type" of mic would be perfect for a loud ass rock show - in an extremely small club

and where would the best place to stand be?
very close to a speaker?
in the middle of both speakers?
way in the back?
way up in the front where i can almost touch a band-member...?

dunebug81 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 12, 2006, 09:53:27 PM »

I prefer, and use, omnis. I have a pair of DPA 4061s and have used them in a tiny shit-hole of a bar, theatres, arenas, and amphitheatres and sound pretty solid at all of them. I love a stack tape so Im usually right up on the stacks (not so good for your ears by the way) but others like the FOH (near the soundboard spot) which gives an overall better sound since thats where the house sound is mixed from. Ive taped front row dead center and got nothing but kick drum and guitar amps...almost no vocals at all. So if you're going to be in the thick of it dont be too close.

Ive got some random songs on my site you can check out.
www.enemyzero.com/greg/music/

1st song in a club that holds about 500 people. I was standing about 1/3 way back to the board between the board and the stage a little off to the right.

2nd song WAY off to the side in an amphitheatre pretty much right next to the left stack.

3rd song a little further back in the same venue as the first song

4th song sitting right next to the board in a club that holds about 1100 people.

Hope that helps.

beefstew · « **Reply #15 on:** July 12, 2006, 09:57:46 PM »

youve been so much help!
thanks a lot!

beefstew · « **Reply #16 on:** July 12, 2006, 10:42:01 PM »

another question
would these be shitty for the conditions im in?
http://www.giant-squid-audio-lab.com/gs/gs-stereo1.htm
http://www.giant-squid-audio-lab.com/gs/gs-batterybox.html

dunebug81 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 13, 2006, 01:04:07 AM »

I do have to pimp www.tapewarehouse.com for getting blank 1GB discs. They sell them for $4.67 where everyone else in the free world sells them for $6.00+. I buy stuff from these cats all the time and they are top notch!

DeepCreatures · « **Reply #18 on:** July 13, 2006, 08:33:39 AM »

thanks for that note on this end - been looking for a good HiMD seller. speaking of, i also have the RH10 as my 2nd of 3 recorders. the pick-ups on it are really nice!

nameloc01 · « **Reply #19 on:** July 13, 2006, 06:33:10 PM »

heres some wisdom:
1. do not buy an md recorder that does not have an illuminated display.( i bought a rh910 and a month later ended up buying a mz-m100,it is an absolute neccesity)
2.do not but a sony mic.you can get decent mics through www.soundprofessionals that wont break the bank.(cmc series are very good for the money)
3.you are probably going to need a battery box,do not get one that does'nt have a bass roll off feature.(if you tape a show and clip the recording due to too much bass, well... you're fucked.)
4. as said earlier,get 1 gb discs through tapewarehouse,they are the absolute cheapest.

good luck bro

poorlyconditioned · « **Reply #20 on:** July 13, 2006, 07:50:30 PM »

Quote from: nameloc01 on July 13, 2006, 06:33:10 PM

heres some wisdom:
1. do not buy an md recorder that does not have an illuminated display.( i bought a rh910 and a month later ended up buying a mz-m100,it is an absolute neccesity)
2.do not but a sony mic.you can get decent mics through www.soundprofessionals that wont break the bank.(cmc series are very good for the money)
3.you are probably going to need a battery box,do not get one that does'nt have a bass roll off feature.(if you tape a show and clip the recording due to too much bass, well... you're fucked.)
4. as said earlier,get 1 gb discs through tapewarehouse,they are the absolute cheapest.

good luck bro

Take a look a minidisc-canada.com. They sometimes have good deals on blanks and closeout models.

Richard

beefstew · « **Reply #21 on:** July 13, 2006, 10:15:47 PM »

thanks for the suggestions!
there are soo many options out there its just so hard to choose!

i went to the Sony Outlet in the next town to just browse through the MD recorders they have and wouldnt you know that they only had a selection of 5, $30 shitty ones, and ONE shitty $90 one

nameloc01 · « **Reply #22 on:** July 13, 2006, 10:20:49 PM »

Quote from: beefstew on July 13, 2006, 10:15:47 PM

thanks for the suggestions!
there are soo many options out there its just so hard to choose!

i went to the Sony Outlet in the next town to just browse through the MD recorders they have and wouldnt you know that they only had a selection of 5, $30 shitty ones, and ONE shitty $90 one

i'm not sure where you live,but "GUITAR CENTER" usually carries a few models.i went there to upgrade from my rh910,planning on getting the rh10(to get the backlight),they didnt have that model,so the salesman ended up selling me a brand new mz-m100 for $250.00 out the door.

flintstone · « **Reply #23 on:** July 14, 2006, 01:25:30 PM »

The cheapest Hi-MD model I've seen is the MZ-NH700. It's a discontinued model , but NEW and in the unopened original box. New MZ-NH700s appear regularly appears on eBay. Auctions end with typical winning bids around $120, shipping included.

So far as I can tell, the preamp and A/D circuit in the NH700 is the same as in all other Hi-MD machines. Sony certainly doesn't claim that its more expensive models sound any different.

Flintstone

poorlyconditioned · « **Reply #24 on:** July 14, 2006, 02:15:25 PM »

Quote from: flintstone on July 14, 2006, 01:25:30 PM

The cheapest Hi-MD model I've seen is the MZ-NH700. It's a discontinued model , but NEW and in the unopened original box. New MZ-NH700s appear regularly appears on eBay. Auctions end with typical winning bids around $120, shipping included.

So far as I can tell, the preamp and A/D circuit in the NH700 is the same as in all other Hi-MD machines. Sony certainly doesn't claim that its more expensive models sound any different.

Flintstone

Yep. That is an excellent buy. This unit (like the '800) has mic, line (and optical) inputs, and runs of a single AA battery! Perfect general purpose machine, or a backup if you need a board patch, etc. I've seen it for around $150USD on minidisc-canada.com on closeout, but their stock varies. It is not there now.

Richard