Topic: Fades?? End of set or end of show??

[gewwang]

I follow etree generally. I only add fades if there is an actual set break or intermission long enough that I decide to cut out 5-10 minutes of the audience.

http://www.etree.org/faq_dat-cdr.html

8. Should I fade in and out of each disc?

Fading in and out of each disc is generally considered bad practice in the trading community. The only areas where fades should be used, and don't have to be, are at the beginning and the end of a show/set.

I think all traders will agree that the only parts of a show that should ever be faded would be crowd noise, never music. Remember, we will most likely be transfering this music from CDR to DVD in a few years, and we'd like to be able to reassemble a complete show without fades screwing up the continuity of the show.

[Brian Skalinder]

I never understood the eTree "fades = bad practice" thing.  Fades are only bad practice if they're done destructively.  Non-destructive fades, when spanning music across multiple discs, are the way to go.  Though I don't do them much now, since I don't listen to audio CDs any longer.

[firmdragon]

I never understood the eTree "fades = bad practice" thing.  Fades are only bad practice if they're done destructively.  Non-destructive fades, when spanning music across multiple discs, are the way to go.  Though I don't do them much now, since I don't listen to audio CDs any longer.

yea its funny how time can change outlooks to past problems.  its been 2 plus years since i've burnt a cd.

[easy jim]

I never understood the eTree "fades = bad practice" thing.  Fades are only bad practice if they're done destructively.  Non-destructive fades, when spanning music across multiple discs, are the way to go.  Though I don't do them much now, since I don't listen to audio CDs any longer.

I think this dates back to the earliest CD-R transfers, that were often done with stand alone decks.  Fades were common at the disc separation point, and non-destructive fades were not really easy to do/possible when transferring to a standalone burner vs. on the computer.

Most of my initial CD-R transfers when I still used a standalone thus have several seconds of overlap beyond the fades to facilitate seamless reconstruction.  

These days, the question seems much simpler: fades at beginning/end of set for a 'polished' transfer, or leave the sudden start/stop if you like that abrupt/'unpolished' feel in playback to remind the listener that it is non-'produced'

[twatts (pants are so over-rated...)]

I never understood the eTree "fades = bad practice" thing.  Fades are only bad practice if they're done destructively.  Non-destructive fades, when spanning music across multiple discs, are the way to go.  Though I don't do them much now, since I don't listen to audio CDs any longer.

ETREE went with the no-fade rule because no one could do it in an intelligent way and with any consistency.  I remember several arguments over whether or not discs should be faded, whether or not an extra fade-track should be added to file-sets, etc.

It finally just go to the point where they said, "F-It.  No more fades"!!!  But really they're not going to ban your seed because it has fades in it...

The "same" discussion is occurring concerning FLAC Tagging.  Since everyone does it differently, and Tags alter FLAC MD5s, etc., etc.,  ETREE has basically stayed away from FLAC Tagging.  Its better to not have it, than to try and convince a million people to do it a certain way. 

Hell, we can't even convince people to use the ETREE Naming Guidelines. 

Terry