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Title: most common SBD output type
Post by: ingsy on January 18, 2004, 10:56:33 PM: hello,

still a newbie here...will be recording my first show in 2 weeks. by this time i will have one mic (Nak300), a WMod UA-5, and a JB3. i plan on doing a matrix recording using the two front inputs on the UA-5 (XLR) for the SBD and having the mic go mono into the rear RCA. i am not sure of what cable to buy for the SBD patch because i have never actually taken a close lok at a soundboard. would it be more likely that the SBD has RCA output or XLR output? ???
P.S. i did try the advanced search and i did learn alot but not the answer to this specific question. thanks for the help.
Title: Re:most common SBD output type
Post by: John R on January 18, 2004, 11:05:38 PM: xlr is safe, but you should probably have a set of rca's anyway.

jr
Title: Re:most common SBD output type
Post by: John R on January 18, 2004, 11:12:43 PM: Quote from: Moke on January 18, 2004, 11:10:21 PM
Add some 1/4" > RCA adaptors also for those 1/4" output sources. They are cheap, and should definetly be in your kit!

good call
Title: Re:most common SBD output type
Post by: ingsy on January 19, 2004, 02:07:57 AM: thank you both for the info. cheers,
ingsy
Title: Re:most common SBD output type
Post by: cpclark on January 19, 2004, 02:16:20 AM: yeah, xlr, rca or 1/4", i know my a&e board has 1/4" outs, lots of mackies and peavy's have rca and most other larger boards used at most mid-large size venues tend to have xlr's, this has been my experience and you should carry all 3 IMO, good luck and happy taping
Title: Re:most common SBD output type
Post by: firmdragon on January 19, 2004, 03:28:43 AM: i've found more xlr and rcas than '1/4. but yeah carry all 3.
Title: Re:most common SBD output type
Post by: Sean Gallemore on January 19, 2004, 04:11:15 AM: looks like Dustin's old rig ;)
Title: Re:most common SBD output type
Post by: Brian on January 19, 2004, 05:19:34 PM: always carry all 3 as well as the adapters to connect them all to each other. you never know what kind of board the club operates, especially in small clubs.

brian
Title: Re:most common SBD output type
Post by: sexymexi on January 19, 2004, 11:40:38 PM: i always like to carry a ring tip connector. its kinda like a 1/4 stereo > 2 1/4 left right channel connections. its been nice running it off the board from their headphone output of 1/4 inch, and having it run stereo into 2 1/4 inputs.
Title: Re:most common SBD output type
Post by: joeshambro on January 20, 2004, 04:19:16 AM: The headphone out thing works, but watch out if the FOH engineer is PFL listening/soloing his channels. If you're patching out of an extra headphone out that's what you'll hear, unless you can change that headphone out to L/R instead of PFL/solo.

I've heard a lot of board tapes (including an interesting wireless one from a night I was mixing) that have the PFL interruptions..
Title: Re:most common SBD output type
Post by: caymanreview on January 20, 2004, 06:51:28 AM: Quote from: Schwilly on January 19, 2004, 04:11:15 AM
looks like Dustin's old rig ;)

;D good eye schwilly

and if you didnt get it saturday, you will have it today matt

Dustin
Title: Re:most common SBD output type
Post by: temis on January 20, 2004, 12:54:38 PM: Hmm, sorry if I am totally wrong about this (I am a newbie myself, too...) but wouldn't running a mic + sbd feed straight into the UA-5 cause some problems with the timing?
Of course that's not so bad in a tiny club but even a little larger venues tend to have the soundboards quite far from the stage. So what I am thinking is some kind of delay would be needed for the sbd to make the matrix work ok.
Please correct me if I am wrong!
Title: Re:most common SBD output type
Post by: ingsy on January 20, 2004, 01:12:52 PM: hey dustin, i got the stuff today, shit-yeah :D thanks again. will probably send you an email this week.

yes, from what i have read on this forum there can be time delay issues with doing SBD/mic matrix recording with the UA-5...i remember a post with some people saying never do it, others saying it has worked for them. i figure if the mic is going in the back of the UA-5 then i can control the volume and set this lower than the board...maybe i should set it really low just to have some sort of crowd in there, also not sure if all band members are run through the board. to be honest, being a newbie here, if i come home with anything i will be psyched. assuming it is at least listenable, i will upload it to the archive and/or send out freebies for anyone interested (band called 'Free Peoples', somewhat bluegrassy stuff in San Francisco...haven't been to this venue yet). thanks for all the help. cheers, ingsy
Title: Re:most common SBD output type
Post by: temis on January 20, 2004, 01:29:19 PM: Ok, I was thinking I am missing something because nobody had mentioned this before...

What I would do (and have done ;)) is to tape two DATs - one for the mics and one for the board and then mix them together later as m0k3 mentioned.

I'd say that if all you want from the mic is the audience noise then it's fine but you'll be forced to monitor the recording quite carefully anyhow.
Title: Re:most common SBD output type
Post by: caymanreview on January 20, 2004, 01:44:05 PM: glad you got the stuff. double check that everything was in there as far as adapters go for the nak mix, im sure i double checked it, but i just have so many adapters and cables that i want to make sure you have what you need

shoot me an email when you get a chance
Title: Re:most common SBD output type
Post by: jhirte on January 20, 2004, 05:53:27 PM: I've only run into XLR's here in town... altho RCA's might not be a bad idea for a tape out...
Oh, dont forget SPDIF. I ran into that once.... stealth SBD for Quasi :)
-Jim