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Gear / Technical Help => Recording Gear => Topic started by: spoogles on May 13, 2006, 06:33:30 PM
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so i was charging up my mt and it finished so unpluged it and went to power up.
as soon as i hit the power button i hear a woosh and flames and smoke shot out the sides. i threw it to the ground as acrid smoke filled my room.
ran to kitchen to get a potholder and by then my carpet had been charred. this is fucked up.
mt is shot as is my carpet and 4 gig microdrive. luckily my hand is ok,i guess i'll be on the phone to maudio on monday morning.
and no the power on my outlet is not inverted.
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LMFAO :yack:
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Well, I guess one good reason to stay away, FAR AWAY from the MT.
+T for your troubles and injuries
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+T for your troubles and injuries
...yeah.
:o
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well i checked my microdrive and amazingly it has survived. so at least i didn't lose everything.
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+T..... for the holy shit factor.
I'm hoping for a recall and a better version of the MT as a replacement. (maybe one with a fixed 2gb problem and an optical in)
keep us updated when you talk with the M-Audio folks.
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...and I was seriously thinking of picking one of these up in the next few weeks :o
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Good lord! I just plugged mine in an hour ago to charge it up. Guess I better have the
fire extinguisher handy when I power it on.
What version of the firmware were you using ;D
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:o
Stealthers crotching this thing have some balls, for now at least... :P
I hope you can at least warranty that pop tart!
edit: deleted stuff
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was using the newest firmware. had used it earlier in the day and had no problems. very scary. i'm glad i was home and it didnt happen while i was out. the fire was hot and had to extinguish.
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so i was charging up my mt and it finished so unpluged it and went to power up.
as soon as i hit the power button i hear a woosh and flames and smoke shot out the sides. i threw it to the ground as acrid smoke filled my room.
ran to kitchen to get a potholder and by then my carpet had been charred. this is fucked up.
mt is shot as is my carpet and 4 gig microdrive. luckily my hand is ok,i guess i'll be on the phone to maudio on monday morning.
and no the power on my outlet is not inverted.
(http://www.cdipietro.com/microtracker/images/microtracker%20001.jpg)
(http://www.cdipietro.com/microtracker/images/microtracker%20002.jpg)
(http://www.cdipietro.com/microtracker/images/microtracker%20003.jpg)
(http://www.cdipietro.com/microtracker/images/microtracker%20004.jpg)
(http://www.cdipietro.com/microtracker/images/microtracker%20005.jpg)
(http://www.cdipietro.com/microtracker/images/microtracker%20006.jpg)
(http://www.cdipietro.com/microtracker/images/microtracker%20008.jpg)
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Wow. Craziest thread ever!
Seriously, could this be the danger of LiIon batteries everyone speaks about? Who knows how it happened, but it seems like the only thing that could generate this kind of heat is the battery, right?
Richard
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Holy shit! Wow! That sucks.
I can't wait to hear how this is (or isn't :( ) resolved.
MicroTracker = the AD1000 for the 21st Century!
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was using the newest firmware. had used it earlier in the day and had no problems. very scary. i'm glad i was home and it didnt happen while i was out. the fire was hot and had to extinguish.
Part of the 1.4.0 firmware update:
User Interface change:
While charging with the unit in the Application, the battery icon will contain the letters CHG. This will remain until the battery voltage reaches 100% and remains there for one hour. At that time, the CHG will be replaced with a plug icon (indicating it is plugged in and supplying power but no longer charging the battery). This one hour ‘timer’ will be reset only if power is removed for longer than 3 minutes (which will prevent the unit from overcharging if the power is removed and returned for short periods of time).
Apple recall: http://www.acmetech.com/extras/apple_recalls.html
Important Safety Recall - Rechargeable Battery for 15-inch PowerBook G4
Apple is voluntarily recalling certain lithium ion rechargeable batteries that were sold worldwide from January 2004 through August 2004 for use with 15-inch PowerBook G4 (Aluminum) notebook computers. These batteries were manufactured by LG Chem, Ltd. of South Korea.
The affected batteries could overheat, posing a fire hazard. Apple received four reports of these batteries overheating. No injuries have been reported. Apple urges you to stop using your battery and to order a replacement battery immediately. If you continue to use your battery, do not leave it unattended and check for signs of overheating.
HP recall: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/laptops/hp-battery-recall-168937.php
Nikon: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0511/05110802nikonbattrecall.asp
Nikon has issued an advisory asking owners of cameras with the model EN-EL3 Lithium-Ion battery to return them for exchange. This battery was included with the Nikon D50, D70 and D100 as well as sold as an accessory. Apparently some affected batteries can short out and overheat. Nikon has published a list of 'lot numbers' of the affected batteries, at the moment we only have information from Nikon USA, if you live in other regions you should check with your local distributor.
I read in photo forums a couple instances in which Nikon cameras caught fire due to a defective EN-EL3 battery.
Also from wikipedia.org: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_ion_battery
Warning
Lithium-ion batteries can easily rupture, ignite, or explode when exposed to high temperatures or direct sunlight. Never store them inside of a car during hot weather. Short-circuiting a Li-ion battery can also cause it to ignite or explode. Never open a Li-ion battery's casing. Li-ion batteries contain safety devices that, if damaged, can cause the battery to ignite or explode.
Is it possible the unit was sitting in direct sunlight?
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+T and good luck with M-Audio. I hope they give you a new one and re-imburse you for a new microdrive. That sucks.
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Wow! Damn lucky you were not injured severely by that incident.
This is NOT an ironic incident, and you hear about it happening quite often to users of lithium polymer batteries - commonly used for electric radio controlled airplanes. These packs have a tendency to swell over time and can burst like you had the misfortune to experience. M-Audio better be real fuckin' quick to get you a replacement and who knows what else you may get out of them when they see your photos... That hand hurts real bad right?
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Wow..
Could have been worse!
Show M-Audio teh evidence and let them know more people know about this. (us...)
If this is not an incident we have an issue.
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Wow..
Could have been worse!
Show M-Audio teh evidence and let them know more people know about this. (us...)
If this is not an incident we have an issue.
Understatement :o
Oh yeah... This could be an issue...
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HFS! That is amazing. Did you have any kind of power surge at your home? I didn't think this thing had enough juice in it to produce this type of heat. That, and it's nowhere near air-tight, so to actually explode means the temperature REALLY peaked! + t for your troubles, and good luck with M-audio.
Stealthers, beware
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Holy shit that's fucking amazingly awesome yet depressing. +T for the flaming rig.
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Unreal.. We have finally found something the microtrack does better than the 722 - EXPLODE!
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Unreal.. We have finally found something the microtrack does better than the 722 - EXPLODE!
LOL :yack:
Seriously, thank god you weren't hurt.....
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+T for not needing an ambulance or fire truck.
Did it look a little something like this?: http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~gdodds/rcstuff/movies/lipofire_1.wmv
...or this: http://www.helihobby.com/videos/LithiumBattery.wmv
Damaged Lithium batteries are not cool (pun not originally intended).
Keep in mind similar batteries are also used in ipods...now that could make my train commute more interesting.
Part of the 1.4.0 firmware update:
User Interface change:
While charging with the unit in the Application, the battery icon will contain the letters CHG. This will remain until the battery voltage reaches 100% and remains there for one hour. At that time, the CHG will be replaced with a plug icon (indicating it is plugged in and supplying power but no longer charging the battery). This one hour ‘timer’ will be reset only if power is removed for longer than 3 minutes (which will prevent the unit from overcharging if the power is removed and returned for short periods of time).
Seriously though, I really hope this doesn't mean they're overcharging the battery for an hour.
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thats exactly what it looked like, but imangine itcoming out the sides of the MT!!!!
crazy. i think i'm just going to ask for a refund as this thing is too dangerous for my tastes.
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WOW.......You were lucky more damage did not occur...I would be calling them Monday morning ready to SCREAM ...I'm glad I sold mine and ordered an R-9......But then again I have five ipods and countless other devices with lith-ion batteries....I just check my fire extinguisher...
Man if that thing was in your pocket at a show it could have been pretty nasty..
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Peace
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Man if that thing was in your pocket at a show it could have been pretty nasty..
:veryevil:
I just had an image of going into a venue and that happening! Imagine having to rip your jeans off with smoke pouring out :o
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first let me say :whew: glad you are ok!
Thats what happens when you go into clip its really better then any clip light out there it really gets your attention it starts off with a warm fuzzy feeling at around -4db then builds up pressure at around 0 db but at +1 it does a flaming school house thing that beats any 4th of july fireworks display I have ever seen.
Unreal.. We have finally found something the microtrack does better than the 722 - EXPLODE!
LOL :yack:
Seriously, thank god you weren't hurt.....
second, been lmfao for five minutes now...
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Wow..
Could have been worse!
Show M-Audio teh evidence and let them know more people know about this. (us...)
If this is not an incident we have an issue.
Understatement :o
Oh yeah... This could be an issue...
Yes it was late when I wrote that.
Maybe it is interesting to know the serial number of the unit if that info is still around?
Maybe firmware version?
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Not to mention the crowd control jumping on ya... and having to explain
profusely to the venue manager and police later on..... woot
Man if that thing was in your pocket at a show it could have been pretty nasty..
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I just had an image of going into a venue and that happening! Imagine having to rip your jeans off with smoke pouring out :o
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BTW: how old was the MT and/or how frequently used?
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Age of unit: bought it in january
Amount used: 4 times in home studio
serial # ---2079002197 ( left first 3 #'s off)
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They should be paying for your carpet (the labor, time off from work for the install, etc), giving you a refund on the mt, paying you for your time. This could have easily set the house on fire and killed someone. Or it could have been in your pocket or a child's pocket. Also, I'm guessing you will never view a battery powered device the same way again and you will think about this for many years to come.
I would not return the device to them until you have been fully compensated. They will surely want to get the device from you to bury the evidence. Ultimately, I think you will get the usual m-audio support jerk-around-fest and should just contact a Good lawyer (there is a huge diff between lawyers and great lawyers.. don't be afraid to ask about recent similar cases they have handled and the outcomes).
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jesus spoogles - that sucks.
i am glad that you and your home are OK, minus the carpet - you should file a small claims dealio on that. why not? it will cost you an afternoon in time, and you will likely win - you already have the pictures and the documented dick-around by the company, and that is the hard part... fill out the forms (probably available online), make copies/get it notarized, and sock it to 'em!!!
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i never thought i'd be scared of such a small harmless looking device!
spoogles-
let us know what happened when you call m-audio on monday. if it doesn't work out, we can start calling for you: "I'm afraid of my MicroTrack because I've heard that they are exploding on people! what is your company doing about this!?"
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Second do not let them tell you that you over charged the unit by plugging it in and then unplugging it and then plugging it back in again they will try and pin this on you mark my words. This is the case of a defective battery not a user error,
I didn't ovecharge the unit. the battery was pretty much down charged , then i charged it til the charg symbol came on the screen. i did everythign as the manual says.
oh and they will be paying for my carpet, calling flooring place tomorrow to get estimates on replacing my rooms floor.
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Age of unit: bought it in january
Amount used: 4 times in home studio
serial # ---2079002197 ( left first 3 #'s off)
Thanks for the info.
I do not know how to interpret the numbers but mine has a ---2079003xxx number.
So pretty close maybe? Or not?
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Second do not let them tell you that you over charged the unit by plugging it in and then unplugging it and then plugging it back in again they will try and pin this on you mark my words. This is the case of a defective battery not a user error,
I didn't ovecharge the unit. the battery was pretty much down charged , then i charged it til the charg symbol came on the screen. i did everythign as the manual says.
oh and they will be paying for my carpet, calling flooring place tomorrow to get estimates on replacing my rooms floor.
Please take this cautiously. Tell them expressly what you did and what not, but don't tell them too much.
Maybe the USA situation is different from the Euro thing but make them explain.
Are we at risk?
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I can't believe I get to post this first, ahem, ahem, just clearing my throat:
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!
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Based on the pictures you may have at least a 2nd degree burn on your hand (the blister). The white areas near your fingertips look a bit worriesome as well. If they are numb, this suggests a serious burn. I would recommend getting your hand looked at by a doctor.
+T for your troubles.
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Second do not let them tell you that you over charged the unit by plugging it in and then unplugging it and then plugging it back in again they will try and pin this on you mark my words. This is the case of a defective battery not a user error,
I didn't ovecharge the unit. the battery was pretty much down charged , then i charged it til the charg symbol came on the screen. i did everythign as the manual says.
oh and they will be paying for my carpet, calling flooring place tomorrow to get estimates on replacing my rooms floor.
Please take this cautiously. Tell them expressly what you did and what not, but don't tell them too much.
Maybe the USA situation is different from the Euro thing but make them explain.
Are we at risk?
Good advice, have the manual handy and quote it as you tell them what you did. "I was doing exactly what the manual told me to do."
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+T..... for the holy shit factor.
I'm hoping for a recall and a better version of the MT as a replacement. (maybe one with a fixed 2gb problem and an optical in)
keep us updated when you talk with the M-Audio folks.
Optical in? Why does it need a optical in?
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+T..... for the holy shit factor.
I'm hoping for a recall and a better version of the MT as a replacement. (maybe one with a fixed 2gb problem and an optical in)
keep us updated when you talk with the M-Audio folks.
Optical in? Why does it need a optical in?
Better battery life!
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Optical in? Why does it need a optical in?
The optical in is used for the digital fire hydrant gauge.
http://www.pollardwater.com/EMarket/Pages/P670DS100.asp
the new firmware is supposed to support extinguisher A+B+C, with D to be added at a later date.
MAudio is also developing a carrying case that is fire proof and has a compartment for your living will and testament.
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Li-ion batteries contain safety devices that, if damaged, can cause the battery to ignite or explode.
WTF ??? Self destructing batteries ?
Shades of Mission: IMPOSIBLE !
conspiracy ?
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That reminds me of those scenes from "Mission: Impossible" with the self-destructing video tapes ;)
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shit man - glad you are your house are still standing, scary shit for sure.
by any chance had you previously loaned this unit to Daryn Lenz? ;) :P ;D
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Damn. And to think of how many times I've left my MT plugged in and charging when I wasn't home...
I'd contact an attorney ASAP. Might be good idea to get your hands checked out by your doctor as well. Estimate on damages to floors, CF replacement, pain suffering.. etc. can all add up to a lot - especially if it was no fault of your own - you could have a fairly strong case.
Is there any kind of warnings in the manual about possible battery explosions etc ? I can't recall seeing anything...
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I've been waiting for the updates on the Microtrack, ..... waiting for it to be more reliable. It looked like it was finally there with the latest update............., then, this happens. :( I won't be buying Microtrack.
+T spoogles for your troubles. I hope M-Audio replaces everything. :coolguy:
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I would have to agree that you may want to contact an attorney and have him contact M-Audio. You are wanting damages at teh minimum and this is not something you want to get into with them without legal advice. I guarantee their lawyers will be on this immediatly to make sure their ass is covered or to discredit what you did in someway. Also keep in mind that some companies record calls to customer service, so you dont want to inadvertantly say something which could damage your case. I would definitely contact a lawyer BEFORE contacting M-Audio. +T for your troubles.
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* Heyseus Christo *
I'll never look at a rechargeable battery the same way.
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+T doesn't help, but damn. that could've easily been alot worse.
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I would have to agree that you may want to contact an attorney and have him contact M-Audio. You are wanting damages at teh minimum and this is not something you want to get into with them without legal advice. I guarantee their lawyers will be on this immediatly to make sure their ass is covered or to discredit what you did in someway. Also keep in mind that some companies record calls to customer service, so you dont want to inadvertantly say something which could damage your case. I would definitely contact a lawyer BEFORE contacting M-Audio. +T for your troubles.
Please take all this advice into account before you contact them. You could ruin your chances of getting a settlement if you say/do the wrong thing early on. Good luck and please do let us know what happens. +T for your troubles...
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Spoogles.. Man, I'm going to have to sue you.
You see, by your careless charging of the microtrack and by posting the photos here, you have irrepairably damaged the resale value of my microcrapper. Hell, I probably won't even be able to take the thing on a plane now :P
Anyone know where I can buy a flame-proof protective cup? My groin fears the microcrapper.
Maybe I'll have to try the flame-resistant nomex underwear road racers wear..
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Call a lawyer... a good lawyer will eat this up. This could have been ugly, and I bet you walk a way with a fat wad in your pocket. Lawyer first for sure.
Matt
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Apparently you did not notice the flamethrower :veryevil: option in the new firmware...Man if that happened at the airport or on a plane you would still be in jail....Good luck...This has to be the funniest/saddest post I have read in a long time...maybe ever.....
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M Audio has been called and i am awaiting return call from supervisor.
i don't need a lawyer. my hand is fine and i don't need someone to take 30% of the small amount i will be due.
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If it could have been ugly, but wasnt...and he is ok, isn't suing a little ..unethical/greedy/wrong?? The fact that someone said to "erase the part about your hand being fine" is a little telling, in my opinion. Id have a hard time taking money in a situation like that.
edit..spoogles..good thinking man. Glad you are ok.
Call a lawyer... a good lawyer will eat this up. This could have been ugly, and I bet you walk a way with a fat wad in your pocket. Lawyer first for sure.
Matt
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+T Spoogles.
I'm just glad that you, your wife, your kittes, and your lovely home are ok.
I'll not be buying or touching one of those things ever.
as for the new name: "NutRoaster" gets my vote. Followed closely by "NoLongerInUse"
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If it could have been ugly, but wasnt...and he is ok, isn't suing a little ..unethical/greedy/wrong?? The fact that someone said to "erase the part about your hand being fine" is a little telling, in my opinion. Id have a hard time taking money in a situation like that.
What he said. Glad to see Spoogles isn't trying to milk this inappropriately:
i don't need a lawyer. my hand is fine and i don't need someone to take 30% of the small amount i will be due.
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Fahrenheit 2496... or FT for short
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I just got back to town, and the thread was wild.
I still think it will work fine with a hard boot...
This just proves the MT is one hot deck!
I'd say it sounds like a user misunderstanding about how to burn the music.
;D
On a personal note, I am really sorry for the loss, and like all MT owners, hope this works out in the end.
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Wow! Glad you're OK and it looks like you're handling everything properly. +T for the troubles.
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If it could have been ugly, but wasnt...and he is ok, isn't suing a little ..unethical/greedy/wrong?? The fact that someone said to "erase the part about your hand being fine" is a little telling, in my opinion. Id have a hard time taking money in a situation like that.
edit..spoogles..good thinking man. Glad you are ok.
Call a lawyer... a good lawyer will eat this up. This could have been ugly, and I bet you walk a way with a fat wad in your pocket. Lawyer first for sure.
Matt
I'm not saying take down the company, but I would say that a hazard like that deserves punishment. Money is the only thing that talks to big business. It isn't like this is your buddy or just some guy trying to make an honest buck. Maybe I'm unethical, but I would definately have a lawyer go after them. This is BS. If I felt bad about getting the money I would donate it to burn research or sponsor a kid that had been badly burned. Or another charity... It isn't about having the money it is about making them pay. If that happened in someones pocket or while it was unatended, they would be hating life.
As for injuries I would go to the doc for posterities sake and to just have it on record. I don't agree with playing up the injury if there is none.
Matt
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If it could have been ugly, but wasnt...and he is ok, isn't suing a little ..unethical/greedy/wrong?? The fact that someone said to "erase the part about your hand being fine" is a little telling, in my opinion. Id have a hard time taking money in a situation like that.
What he said. Glad to see Spoogles isn't trying to milk this inappropriately:
i don't need a lawyer. my hand is fine and i don't need someone to take 30% of the small amount i will be due.
milking bad, but still, what if he wasn't home and it burned his house down? as it is now, he has property damage (carpet) and was injured (thank goodness not badly!), not to mention no more recording device or media, all due to using a device according to instructions?
If it happened to me, I'd be talking to one of the attorneys at the firm I work for - just to see what path would/should be most appropriate, etc..
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Definitely something to bring to the companys attention.. and I am absolutely sure they will take it to heart, but why run to a lawyer ? On what grounds??based on a series of "what ifs"??? If he were harmed it'd be a different story, but whats the issue? Real issues, not "what ifs"
If it could have been ugly, but wasnt...and he is ok, isn't suing a little ..unethical/greedy/wrong?? The fact that someone said to "erase the part about your hand being fine" is a little telling, in my opinion. Id have a hard time taking money in a situation like that.
edit..spoogles..good thinking man. Glad you are ok.
Call a lawyer... a good lawyer will eat this up. This could have been ugly, and I bet you walk a way with a fat wad in your pocket. Lawyer first for sure.
Matt
I'm not saying take down the company, but I would say that a hazard like that deserves punishment. Money is the only thing that talks to big business. It isn't like this is your buddy or just some guy trying to make an honest buck. Maybe I'm unethical, but I would definately have a lawyer go after them. This is BS. If I felt bad about getting the money I would donate it to burn research or sponsor a kid that had been badly burned. Or another charity... It isn't about having the money it is about making them pay. If that happened in someones pocket or while it was unatended, they would be hating life.
As for injuries I would go to the doc for posterities sake and to just have it on record. I don't agree with playing up the injury if there is none.
Matt
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M Audio has been called and i am awaiting return call from supervisor.
i don't need a lawyer. my hand is fine and i don't need someone to take 30% of the small amount i will be due.
multiple T+'s
What comes around goes around.
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Definitely something to bring to the companys attention.. and I am absolutely sure they will take it to heart, but why run to a lawyer ? On what grounds??based on a series of "what ifs"??? If he were harmed it'd be a different story, but whats the issue? Real issues, not "what ifs"
Well originally it wasnt about his hand at all. He stated he expects M-Audio to pay for the replacement of his flooring and I expect he will have a rough time of it without the help of a lawyer. With such terrible customer service over simple things I can only imagine what a nightmare it will be to get anything out of them for the damages his house incurred. Ill bet they will send him a shiny new microtracker though :P Spoogles, alot of lawyers wouldnt take anything out of the money your due for repair to your home, they would ask for enough from M-Audio to cover both expenses (fixing your carpet and paying your legal fees). Here's hoping they pay without having to go that route. Another +T for having to deal with this crap in the first place.
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I still think it's a good idea to get a lawyer. I don't think it will be easy to get M-Audio to pay for the damage that was done without a laywer acting on your behalf. I hope I'm proved wrong.
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My new name for the unit:
MicroMelter
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looks like I won't be charging anything with Lion batts unattended anymore, yipes!! I heard on NPR this morn that a lady's cell phone exploded on her lap from faulty batts...
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+T for the meltdown!
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+T..... for the holy shit factor.
I'm hoping for a recall and a better version of the MT as a replacement. (maybe one with a fixed 2gb problem and an optical in)
keep us updated when you talk with the M-Audio folks.
Optical in? Why does it need a optical in?
Better battery life!
It's still going to have crappy battery life even with optical. Seems unnecessary "problem" if you can call it one. I'm not sure he knows what he's talking about.
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looks like I won't be charging anything with Lion batts unattended anymore, yipes!!
I always charge new batteries in a pan to minimize any damage if things don't go well.. Probably a good idea to do that every time. This thread is a good reminder of why lion batteries should be handled gently and not dropped, etc. If you compromise the case, it may not be able to hold the pressure caused by out-gassing while charging. Not implying that this mt was handled rough or anything, just try not to drop the batteries.
Any TSer's ever had a wally battery explode/burn/etc?
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Any TSer's ever had a wally battery explode/burn/etc?
no, but after reading this thread I have been wondering if i really want those DVD/Wally battery's sitting in my house..... :-\
I got two of those in my bag, and just one is about the size of a MT. What kind of flame do you think that thing would make if it ever went up?
Damn, makes me wonder if this why Wally World discontinued selling them?
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Any TSer's ever had a wally battery explode/burn/etc?
no, but after reading this thread I have been wondering if i really want those DVD/Wally battery's sitting in my house..... :-\
I got two of those in my bag, and just one is about the size of a MT. What kind of flame do you think that thing would make if it ever went up?
Damn, makes me wonder if this why Wally World discontinued selling them?
i think i am going to look into a fireproof location for my Li-Ons, or at least a pan to charge in as previously mentioned.
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FWIW, I have a ceramic tile table that I charge everything on. I use NiMH batteries now.
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Just checked in here after being away for a while. In addition to using recording equipment, I also fly electric model airplanes. And as such I am very familiar with the benefits and disadvantages of lithium cells.
In my experience, I have never had a cell failure aside from simple loss of capacity. But I have known people who have had similar failures that involved smoke and flames. In one case, the failure seemed to be related to cell damage following a crash. In the other cases, the failures seemed to be due to charger failure and resulting overcharging, but that is not definite. It could be an internal cell failure, unrelated to any external cause.
Bottom line is that most modelers consider LiPoly cells to be dangerous and store them in a fireproof box when not actually in use. Mine live in an ammo box. We also charge them either under direct supervision or in a fireproof container. Mine get charged in that same ammo box. As a cellphone and camera user, I accept the potential for catastrophic cell failure when I charge my cellphone and my digital camera.
LiPoly cells do seem to be more dangerous than older technologies. Possibly because the innards are flammable and because the housing is plastic and not metal? And because the result of an overcharge or internal cell failure is a fire? NiCd and NiMh cells would simply fizz and vent but I have never heard of one that actually caught fire.
FWIW, there is an ugly little secret about LiPoly cells that Microtrack owners should be aware of. And that is that LiPoly cells begin to degrade as soon as they are manufactured. This degradation continues for the life of the cell. It is accelerated by elevated temperature and higher state of charge, but the bottom line is that it continues regardless of whether you use your device continuously or leave it on the shelf. And since the degradation is worse at higher states of charge, the common practice of leaving the unit fully charged accelerates the process. On the other end, if you leave it discharged, the degradation is lessened.... but if the unit continues to draw a small amount of current in the OFF state, the cells can be discharged below 2.5V/cell and that will seriously accelerate the degradation. In my electric model airplane experience, I get about 1-2 years max on cells before they have degraded to maybe 75% capacity. Sometimes less. Problem with the Microtrack is.... the cells are not user replaceable unless you want to open the case yourself and can find suitable cells. It's the same issue I have, for example, with the iPod. The degradation seems to be mostly an increase in internal resistance, so the relatively low current consumed by the MT may reduce the impact of the degradation. But the battery is definitely life-limited.
Paul
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It's still going to have crappy battery life even with optical. Seems unnecessary "problem" if you can call it one. I'm not sure he knows what he's talking about.
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Ho. About the optical IN. It is just my preferred method of dropping Bits from the A/D. And....light impulses have no electical "noise" interferance issues with the cable. It was an opinion and a preferance....FWIW. I do kinda know what im talking about.
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Ho. About the optical IN. It is just my preferred method of dropping Bits from the A/D. And....light impulses have no electical "noise" interferance issues with the cable. It was an opinion and a preferance....FWIW. I do kinda know what im talking about.
Yeah, but optical cables are more prone to failure because they are just that-- light impulses. There is more of a chance for the light signal to be disturbed by either a kink in the cable, or a cheap connector or jack.
That being said, I still like using optical over digital coax. That's just me.
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But the battery is definitely life-limited.
Paul
Exactly. The batts will die sooner or later. When that happens, we'll have to come up w/ an alternative powering scheme. I hate non user-replaceable batts!! If they just woulda included a DC in jack, no worries.
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But the battery is definitely life-limited.
Paul
Exactly. The batts will day sooner or later. When that happens, we'll have to come up w/ an alternative powering scheme. I hate non user-replaceable batts!! If they just woulda included a DC in jack, no worries.
DC-in is the USB connector.
But that is a workaround.
For the Ipod we have replacement batteries on the markets.
We need the same for the MT. Maybe even upgrades. ??? :laugh:
If M-Audio are smart they start selling them after a year or so.
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For the Ipod we have replacement batteries on the markets.
We need the same for the MT. Maybe even upgrades. ??? :laugh:
If M-Audio are smart they start selling them after a year or so.
They already do. They exchange batteries for $75. There is a document on the web with their battery replacement policy (http://www.m-audio.com/images/en/warranty/MT_Warranty.pdf).
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It's still going to have crappy battery life even with optical. Seems unnecessary "problem" if you can call it one. I'm not sure he knows what he's talking about.
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Ho. About the optical IN. It is just my preferred method of dropping Bits from the A/D. And....light impulses have no electical "noise" interferance issues with the cable. It was an opinion and a preferance....FWIW. I do kinda know what im talking about.
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Not as stable.
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wow. that sucks.
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Just checked in here after being away for a while. In addition to using recording equipment, I also fly electric model airplanes. And as such I am very familiar with the benefits and disadvantages of lithium cells.
In my experience, I have never had a cell failure aside from simple loss of capacity. But I have known people who have had similar failures that involved smoke and flames. In one case, the failure seemed to be related to cell damage following a crash. In the other cases, the failures seemed to be due to charger failure and resulting overcharging, but that is not definite. It could be an internal cell failure, unrelated to any external cause.
Bottom line is that most modelers consider LiPoly cells to be dangerous and store them in a fireproof box when not actually in use. Mine live in an ammo box. We also charge them either under direct supervision or in a fireproof container. Mine get charged in that same ammo box. As a cellphone and camera user, I accept the potential for catastrophic cell failure when I charge my cellphone and my digital camera.
LiPoly cells do seem to be more dangerous than older technologies. Possibly because the innards are flammable and because the housing is plastic and not metal? And because the result of an overcharge or internal cell failure is a fire? NiCd and NiMh cells would simply fizz and vent but I have never heard of one that actually caught fire.
FWIW, there is an ugly little secret about LiPoly cells that Microtrack owners should be aware of. And that is that LiPoly cells begin to degrade as soon as they are manufactured. This degradation continues for the life of the cell. It is accelerated by elevated temperature and higher state of charge, but the bottom line is that it continues regardless of whether you use your device continuously or leave it on the shelf. And since the degradation is worse at higher states of charge, the common practice of leaving the unit fully charged accelerates the process. On the other end, if you leave it discharged, the degradation is lessened.... but if the unit continues to draw a small amount of current in the OFF state, the cells can be discharged below 2.5V/cell and that will seriously accelerate the degradation. In my electric model airplane experience, I get about 1-2 years max on cells before they have degraded to maybe 75% capacity. Sometimes less. Problem with the Microtrack is.... the cells are not user replaceable unless you want to open the case yourself and can find suitable cells. It's the same issue I have, for example, with the iPod. The degradation seems to be mostly an increase in internal resistance, so the relatively low current consumed by the MT may reduce the impact of the degradation. But the battery is definitely life-limited.
Paul
Solid information. +T and thanks Paul
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Just checked in here after being away for a while. In addition to using recording equipment, I also fly electric model airplanes. And as such I am very familiar with the benefits and disadvantages of lithium cells.
In my experience, I have never had a cell failure aside from simple loss of capacity. But I have known people who have had similar failures that involved smoke and flames. In one case, the failure seemed to be related to cell damage following a crash. In the other cases, the failures seemed to be due to charger failure and resulting overcharging, but that is not definite. It could be an internal cell failure, unrelated to any external cause.
Bottom line is that most modelers consider LiPoly cells to be dangerous and store them in a fireproof box when not actually in use. Mine live in an ammo box. We also charge them either under direct supervision or in a fireproof container. Mine get charged in that same ammo box. As a cellphone and camera user, I accept the potential for catastrophic cell failure when I charge my cellphone and my digital camera.
LiPoly cells do seem to be more dangerous than older technologies. Possibly because the innards are flammable and because the housing is plastic and not metal? And because the result of an overcharge or internal cell failure is a fire? NiCd and NiMh cells would simply fizz and vent but I have never heard of one that actually caught fire.
FWIW, there is an ugly little secret about LiPoly cells that Microtrack owners should be aware of. And that is that LiPoly cells begin to degrade as soon as they are manufactured. This degradation continues for the life of the cell. It is accelerated by elevated temperature and higher state of charge, but the bottom line is that it continues regardless of whether you use your device continuously or leave it on the shelf. And since the degradation is worse at higher states of charge, the common practice of leaving the unit fully charged accelerates the process. On the other end, if you leave it discharged, the degradation is lessened.... but if the unit continues to draw a small amount of current in the OFF state, the cells can be discharged below 2.5V/cell and that will seriously accelerate the degradation. In my electric model airplane experience, I get about 1-2 years max on cells before they have degraded to maybe 75% capacity. Sometimes less. Problem with the Microtrack is.... the cells are not user replaceable unless you want to open the case yourself and can find suitable cells. It's the same issue I have, for example, with the iPod. The degradation seems to be mostly an increase in internal resistance, so the relatively low current consumed by the MT may reduce the impact of the degradation. But the battery is definitely life-limited.
Paul
Solid information. +T and thanks Paul
Very solid...thanks Paul...but scary as hell. Makes me want to get rid of my LiIon packs sitting in my closet. Shit.
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M Audio has been called and i am awaiting return call from supervisor.
i don't need a lawyer. my hand is fine and i don't need someone to take 30% of the small amount i will be due.
Any updates?
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The pics scared me a little, mostly because I've installed similar batteries in my irivers. However I'm reassured by the sheer volume of ipods out there using similar batteries. Y'all know that they'll sue over scratched screens, so I'm damn sure we'd have heard of 'exploding ipods' if it was an issue.
I'm keen to see how this unfolds, however I'm still not convinced that the firmware hasn't allowed for the MT to be overcharged (I really hope I'm wrong).
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Man, just happened apon this thread. +T for your troubles as well.
Hey you didn't happen to see any contrails over your house just before the meltdown did ya? ;D
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I'm keen to see how this unfolds, however I'm still not convinced that the firmware hasn't allowed for the MT to be overcharged (I really hope I'm wrong).
I agree. I think it is a firmware issue that allowed the overcharging. Especially since they callout a change to the charging interface in the latest release notes:
While charging with the unit in the Application, the battery icon will contain the letters CHG. This will remain until the battery voltage reaches 100% and remains there for one hour. At that time, the CHG will be replaced with a plug icon (indicating it is plugged in and supplying power but no longer charging the battery). This one hour ‘timer’ will be reset only if power is removed for longer than 3 minutes (which will prevent the unit from overcharging if the power is removed and returned for short periods of time).
:flaming:
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What is really scary is if the Microtrack is using its internal uP to do the charging. If so, a crashed processor could allow the charge to continue forever without voltage limit. And that would be VERY bad. Does anyone have a clue how the charge is actually controlled in the Microtrack? I'll bet M-Audio won't tell us. Certainly not with a burned MT on the books.
If on the other hand, the charge is handled by a separate dedicated chip, the process should be pretty foolproof unless the charge chip fails. It is not possible to overcharge a LiPoly cell because the charge chip regulates the voltage to 4.2V/cell and a LiPoly cell can be held at 4.2V indefinitely without significant damage. Take the cell voltage above about 4.5 or 5V and you have a fire.
Yes, it is a bit scary. The charge and protection circuitry inside my IBM Thinkpad 600 battery pack is almost as complex as the computer itself. And most of that is protection circuitry to prevent catastrophic failure modes.
Me, I returned my MT long ag in favor of an R1 and I am now waiting for an R-09. I'm way happier with removable NiMh or alkaline cells.
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Makes me think about the dangers of external powering these. Do they show charging when a jucebox or similar is connected?
Edit don't know where ther jb3 comment came from?
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Makes me think about the dangers of external powering these. Do they show charging when a jucebox or similar is connected?
A juicebox will charge the MT just as if it is plugged into its wall adapter.
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Spoogles,
Man that sucks. I hope you are OK and I think you are proceeding correctly by not "lawyering up". OTH, the comments here that have said you might have problems recovering expenses for carpeting etc if you don't use a lawyer may be salient. Please keep us up to date as far as the M audio custy service goes.
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So that users are not tempted to keep unplugging and plugging in to get a high charge?
I do that with my Hi-MD. It stops charging after 20minutes. I plug it in and out a few times to get the full charge.
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Hey Spoogles,
Was a proper resolution provided by M-Audio?
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well have been talking to Maudio, sent back the unit to them and looks like i will get a full refund on the MT. still need to get a estimate to repair my carpet, but other than that M-Audio has been quite helpful and understanding.
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well have been talking to Maudio, sent back the unit to them and looks like i will get a full refund on the MT. still need to get a estimate to repair my carpet, but other than that M-Audio has been quite helpful and understanding.
Good news. Please let us know any further developements.
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I had an "interesting" thing happen when charging my MT the other night. It looked like it completed charging but when I went to turn the MT on it was locked up. I had to press and hold the power button for an extended period of time to get the thing to start up. If the firmware was locked up and it was still receiving power from the charger is it possible that the battery could overcharge and explode??
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I had an "interesting" thing happen when charging my MT the other night. It looked like it completed charging but when I went to turn the MT on it was locked up. I had to press and hold the power button for an extended period of time to get the thing to start up. If the firmware was locked up and it was still receiving power from the charger is it possible that the battery could overcharge and explode??
What mode was the MT in when you were charging it and also when it locked up (if these are different)? Was it in the mode where the large battery icon get's shown on screen (this happens when it tries to power off while in the main interface but it's plugged in so can't turn off)? Or was it in the mode where it's showing the USB icon and the small battery in the corner? Or the power plug icon and the small battery in the corner? Or finally, the mode where its' just showing the main menu or record interface and the small battery icon in the corner?
The answer to my question doesn't really answer your question but it could help us find a particular situation that is prone to lockups or something if someone else discovers that it also happens to them.
J.T.
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Just wondering what was the final outcome of the microtracker incident?
Here's an article on an exploding Dell Laptop.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=32550 (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=32550)
I'd be willing to bet that a Lithium Ion battery was behind that as well.
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After reading this and the flashlight debacle, methinks I should start storing the MT in an ammo box. Cellphones too maybe.
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After reading this and the flashlight debacle, methinks I should start storing the MT in an ammo box. Cellphones too maybe.
Like this? ;D
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LOL Rick
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Even Apple looks like it is having some issues with its lithium battery in some MacBook Pro's:
http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20060622103345459 (http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20060622103345459)
Would you want that thing sittiing on your lap?
Bluging Battery:
(http://images.macfixit.com/images/Swollen1.jpg)
(http://images.macfixit.com/images/Swollen2.jpg)
(http://images.macfixit.com/images/Swollen3.jpg)
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After reading this and the flashlight debacle, methinks I should start storing the MT in an ammo box. Cellphones too maybe.
Like this? ;D
:yack: Yessir! Just like that.
+T
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More exploding battery issues:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/fn/4044754.html
NTSB Probes Laptop Batteries in Jet Fire
By KIMBERLY HEFLING Associated Press Writer
© 2006 The Associated Press
WASHINGTON — Did laptop batteries aboard a UPS cargo plane ignite, causing the aircraft to catch fire?
The National Transportation Safety Board began looking into the question at a hearing Wednesday.
All three crew members on the plane were treated for minor injuries after it made an emergency landing shortly after midnight Feb. 8 at Philadelphia International Airport.
Several other incidents have occurred in recent years in which lithium batteries _ used in laptops and cell phones _ have caught fire aboard airplanes.
Less than two months ago in Chicago, a spare laptop battery packed in a bag stored in an overhead bin started emitting smoke, chief crash investigator Frank Hilldrup of the NTSB testified Wednesday.
A flight attendant used an extinguisher and the bag was removed, but the bag caught fire on a ramp, Hilldrup said.
Investigators in the Philadelphia fire found that several computer laptop batteries were on board the plane, and that in many cases portions of the laptop batteries had burned, he said.
"It is not known at this time the role these batteries may have played in the fire," Hilldrup said.
Lithium ion batteries are sometimes referred to as "rechargeable" or "secondary" lithium batteries. They, along with primary or "non-rechargeable" lithium batteries, can present fire hazards because of the heat often generated when they are damaged or suffer a short circuit.
It is expected to take several months for the NTSB to reach a conclusion about the cause of the fire in Philadelphia, although several hazardous materials on board the plane have been determined not to be the cause. The NTSB is also examining other related issues, such as what can be done to make cargo flights safer and the overall emergency response to the incident.
In 1999, a shipment of lithium batteries ignited after it was unloaded from a passenger jet at Los Angeles International Airport. Another shipment erupted into flames in Memphis in 2004 when it was being loaded onto a FedEx plane bound for Paris.
In the case of the UPS cargo plane, the crew declared an emergency on approach into Philadelphia. Fire and rescue crews met the four-engine jet, a DC-8 that originated in Atlanta, when it touched down shortly after midnight.
Firefighters said the blaze was under control about four hours later, although the charred plane smoldered for hours.
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While stealthing with mine the other night it got so damn hot I coudn't touch it... and then it shut down.
I've submitted an incident report with M-Audio, explaining what happened, the situation, etc. and the guy replies back "What were you trying to do exactly" and then said to upgrade the firmware (I'm on 1.3.3)
OMFG.
unreal.
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Sounds like a close call. Surprised that it got so hot under those circumstances. I'd be very careful on your next few recharges and uses. Too bad the internal battery can't be easily examined for case bulge or venting.
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So do you think I'll have a hard time getting my MT and spare wally world battery onto the plane wednesday?
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Sounds like a close call. Surprised that it got so hot under those circumstances. I'd be very careful on your next few recharges and uses. Too bad the internal battery can't be easily examined for case bulge or venting.
it charged fine yesterday - I havent used it since though. I have a show on Wed (if I go, not sure yet) we'll see what happens..
after it shut down that time, it died during the next bands set (like 40min later..) I thought that batt was totally dead, but it wasn't when I powered it up the next day... weird.
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So do you think I'll have a hard time getting my MT and spare wally world battery onto the plane wednesday?
no
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So do you think I'll have a hard time getting my MT and spare wally world battery onto the plane wednesday?
The only battery I've had trouble with is an SLA, even with the DOT/IATA documentation. They said if I had it in a hard case, something like a pelican case they would have probably let it on, it was just in it's soft Eco-charge pouch. You could probably pick up a Pelican 1150 or maybe smaller to accomodate your batteries. Worse case scenario, find the Fed-Ex box and mail them to yourself if they won't let you on with them, that's what I ended up doing.
If they have any question to the battery type, I'd just say it's the same type as a laptop battery but smaller since they seem to have no issues with allowing laptops on planes.
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It sounds like Dell Li-ion batteries are getting in on the act now:
http://tinyurl.com/fzyya (Headline: Dell laptop became a flamethrower)
...am I right to say that we haven't heard from Spoogles on a follow-up on this?
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Even Apple looks like it is having some issues with its lithium battery in some MacBook Pro's:
http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20060622103345459 (http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20060622103345459)
Would you want that thing sittiing on your lap?
Bluging Battery:
(http://images.macfixit.com/images/Swollen1.jpg)
(http://images.macfixit.com/images/Swollen2.jpg)
(http://images.macfixit.com/images/Swollen3.jpg)
Apple just just announced a recall on some of their MacBook Pro batteries.
https://support.apple.com/macbookpro15/batteryexchange/index.html
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used the MT for the 1st time sat
no probs recording or anything however it was hotttttttt, i could hold it but it was very hot
i don't really like that, makes me nervous
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used the MT for the 1st time sat
no probs recording or anything however it was hotttttttt, i could hold it but it was very hot
i don't really like that, makes me nervous
Yeah it gets plenty o'hot. Even hotter when using a MicroDrive. And the MicroDrives are hot to the touch when you take them out. But I've had no problem releated to the heat, I just don't hold it im my sweaty hands when I'm using it.
J.T.
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I haven't run into this 'heat' problem with the microtracker, strange, taped festivals and full headliner shows ...
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used the MT for the 1st time sat
no probs recording or anything however it was hotttttttt, i could hold it but it was very hot
i don't really like that, makes me nervous
Yeah it gets plenty o'hot. Even hotter when using a MicroDrive. And the MicroDrives are hot to the touch when you take them out. But I've had no problem releated to the heat, I just don't hold it im my sweaty hands when I'm using it.
J.T.
i used a microdrive too--that was prob part of it
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Spoogles,
did you atleast get a refund on your MT or a new unit? Have you gotten an money back for the carpet damage?
Matt
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must be the microdrive. Mine never gets hot.
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Dell recalls 4.1 million batteries:
http://www.theage.com.au/news/laptops--desktops/flaming-laptops-prompt-massive-recall/2006/08/15/1155407776670.html
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I assume that you folks who are indulging yourselves in childish hysteria over one battery incident are relinquishing your use of automobiles, which cause 30,000-40,000 deaths a year in the U.S.?
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I assume that you folks who are indulging yourselves in childish hysteria over one battery incident are relinquishing your use of automobiles, which cause 30,000-40,000 deaths a year in the U.S.?
Irrelevant. This is a taping board. Not a particular place to be a fatalist.
-T for being sarcastic about it, too.
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Spoogles,
did you atleast get a refund on your MT or a new unit? Have you gotten an money back for the carpet damage?
Matt
yup M_Audio has paid me in full for all damages. they definately came through on their end.
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Spoogles,
did you atleast get a refund on your MT or a new unit? Have you gotten an money back for the carpet damage?
Matt
yup M_Audio has paid me in full for all damages. they definately came through on their end.
cool. Another +T for your troubles.
Matt
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yup M_Audio has paid me in full for all damages. they definately came through on their end.
nice to hear, chris. what deck did they buy you? :)
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yup M_Audio has paid me in full for all damages. they definately came through on their end.
nice to hear, chris. what deck did they buy you? :)
I guess the ultimate question would be, would you buy another MT?
It is good to hear M Audio took care of things. I'm curious did they ever expand on what they think might have caused the unit to explode/catch fire in the first place?
Wayne
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I assume that you folks who are indulging yourselves in childish hysteria over one battery incident are relinquishing your use of automobiles, which cause 30,000-40,000 deaths a year in the U.S.?
Do the cars cause the deaths, or the drivers?
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yup M_Audio has paid me in full for all damages. they definately came through on their end.
nice to hear, chris. what deck did they buy you? :)
no new deck. think i'll just go lappie if i want to do 24/96 and use the ol jb3 for stealth.
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I assume that you folks who are indulging yourselves in childish hysteria over one battery incident are relinquishing your use of automobiles, which cause 30,000-40,000 deaths a year in the U.S.?
One exploding microtrack in this tiny taping community is statistically VERY significant. Particularly when you consider that they haven't even been out for a year. The gas released is EXTREMELY toxic and especially dangerous because of the delayed symptoms.
Attempting to compare it to national auto deaths is far out of touch with our taping reality. Just because people die in cars you are saying that concerns about unsafe recorder batteries are 'childish and hysterical'?
How often do cars spontaneously explode when they are switched on?
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no new deck. think i'll just go lappie if i want to do 24/96 and use the ol jb3 for stealth.
Let me guess: a Dell?
Jeff
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One exploding microtrack in this tiny taping community is statistically VERY significant.
But the fact that it happened within our tiny taping community isn't really relevant, except as kind of a shocker to those who use the device. It could have happened within any community. Far more meaningful and useful stats might include the much broader user base: how many exploding MTs out of how many total sold worldwide? sold in the US? How do the MTs stats around exploding batteries compare to other devices and batteries of its kind, and the quality standards of M-Audio and/or its battery manufacturers and generally accepted rates of failure within the industry? Etc.
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One exploding microtrack in this tiny taping community is statistically VERY significant.
But the fact that it happened within our tiny taping community isn't really relevant, except as kind of a shocker to those who use the device. It could have happened within any community. Far more meaningful and useful stats might include the much broader user base: how many exploding MTs out of how many total sold worldwide? sold in the US? How do the MTs stats around exploding batteries compare to other devices and batteries of its kind, and the quality standards of M-Audio and/or its battery manufacturers and generally accepted rates of failure within the industry? Etc.
Good points for sure... this very well could have been an unfortunate fluke, relatively speaking.
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One exploding microtrack in this tiny taping community is statistically VERY significant.
But the fact that it happened within our tiny taping community isn't really relevant, except as kind of a shocker to those who use the device. It could have happened within any community. Far more meaningful and useful stats might include the much broader user base: how many exploding MTs out of how many total sold worldwide? sold in the US? How do the MTs stats around exploding batteries compare to other devices and batteries of its kind, and the quality standards of M-Audio and/or its battery manufacturers and generally accepted rates of failure within the industry? Etc.
I guarantee we will never know these statistics. M-Audio sure as hell isn't going to post them. I bet this isn't an isolated case though.
Matt
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Let me guess: a Dell?
This is from a conversation I had with Cliff (dallman) the other day. I've been begging him to post it.
Can you imagine what would happen if you plugged your MT into a Dell laptop?!!
:flaming:
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Let me guess: a Dell?
This is from a conversation I had with Cliff (dallman) the other day. I've been begging him to post it.
Can you imagine what would happen if you plugged your MT into a Dell laptop?!!
:flaming:
:happy: I was "hot" that night!
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Bumped for posterity and amusement on a friday. Plus I accidently just deleted this comment:
"We need to hold a contest for a new name that will capture the explosive and fiery nature that has now been revealed. Microfragger?"
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This thread is a real "blast from the past".
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A serious fire could happen with any recorder with built in Li-ion/Li-poly batteries and especially with an external battery pack. I'm switching to newer LiFePO4 batteries which are much safer. They have less energy density, though more than NiMH, but it's worth it.
The fires produce a lot of noxious smoke and it would be a disruption to the show at a minimum! Property damage is highly likely and injury is possible. If a tapers rig burns up you can bet that the venue will be very wary of allowing tapers to come back.
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Still they are safer then Minidisc'rs checking levels with a lighter ;D