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Re: Converting Schoeps KC5 cables to separate KCY and AK I cables
« Reply #45 on: February 19, 2012, 09:38:29 PM »
Here are some pictures of the Nbox PFA I just finished customizing. I used a Schoeps KCY/KLY splitter box and Colette cable to make the PFA bulletproof. The Schoeps splitter box provides the perfect amount of pressure via grooves for strain relief on the Colette cable and is completely shielded. The Colette cable is also well shielded and the extra weight and thickness of the cable makes it preferred for long-term use in a crowded gear box. This cable should now be able to last a lifetime of abuse in the field

I'll be making one of these for the KCY PFA variety later this week, along with hopefully a KC PFA. That should put to rest my desire to make a KCY / AKI setup.

NICE! - Did you use one of Jon's PFA's as a starting point or did you design your own?
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Re: Converting Schoeps KC5 cables to separate KCY and AK I cables
« Reply #46 on: February 20, 2012, 10:55:52 AM »
I can't wait for my KCY PFA!!!  >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D
Mics: Schoeps MK4V, MK41V, MK5, MK22> CMC6, KCY 250/5, KC5, NBob; MBHO MBP603/KA200N, AT 3031, DPA 4061 w/ d:vice, Naiant X-X, AT 853c, shotgun, Nak300
Pres/Power: Aerco MP2, tinybox v2  [KCY], CA-UBB
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Re: Converting Schoeps KC5 cables to separate KCY and AK I cables
« Reply #47 on: February 20, 2012, 11:39:15 AM »
I can't wait for my KCY PFA!!!  >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D

will it be the same as hi and lo's?
do all kcy pfa's need a junction box?  i think that i remember jon saying that due to cable size??..
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Re: Converting Schoeps KC5 cables to separate KCY and AK I cables
« Reply #48 on: February 20, 2012, 01:17:23 PM »
I can't wait for my KCY PFA!!!  >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D

will it be the same as hi and lo's?
do all kcy pfa's need a junction box?  i think that i remember jon saying that due to cable size??..

Mine will be hi and lo's first test model :)  I think the idea is, yes, you go KCY>binder>junction box>PFAs (each XLR connector is, technically, a PFA).
Mics: Schoeps MK4V, MK41V, MK5, MK22> CMC6, KCY 250/5, KC5, NBob; MBHO MBP603/KA200N, AT 3031, DPA 4061 w/ d:vice, Naiant X-X, AT 853c, shotgun, Nak300
Pres/Power: Aerco MP2, tinybox v2  [KCY], CA-UBB
Decks: Sound Devices MixPre 6, Zoom F8, M10, D50

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Re: Converting Schoeps KC5 cables to separate KCY and AK I cables
« Reply #49 on: February 22, 2012, 03:06:25 PM »
 >:D >:D >:D

So far so good!


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Re: Converting Schoeps KC5 cables to separate KCY and AK I cables
« Reply #50 on: February 22, 2012, 03:27:09 PM »
>:D >:D >:D

So far so good!

so you going to chop the individual kc cables? Say, put a binder plug so you can reconnect the kc5 cables or use the PFA.
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Re: Converting Schoeps KC5 cables to separate KCY and AK I cables
« Reply #51 on: February 22, 2012, 03:38:34 PM »
Yeah... for now I am just hard-wiring the PFA's directly to each KC. I will eventually hack them again so that the MK and CMC ends of the KC cable are terminated to 4pin binders and then just leave each PFA with a 1' pigtail, also terminated to Binders.

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Re: Converting Schoeps KC5 cables to separate KCY and AK I cables
« Reply #52 on: February 23, 2012, 01:09:08 AM »
First test recording of the KC (PFAs) has gone off without a hitch!... and we're not done yet!  >:D 8)

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Re: Converting Schoeps KC5 cables to separate KCY and AK I cables
« Reply #53 on: February 23, 2012, 11:57:04 AM »
First test recording of the KC (PFAs) has gone off without a hitch!... and we're not done yet!  >:D 8)

 >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D  I felt like a mad scientist (well, a mad scientist's assistant, since I had no part in wiring these up) as we set this rig up to run last night.  For semi-comparison purposes I ran MK5>CMC6 for the first two bands and we ran MK5>KC5 PFA cables for the second two bands.  Obviously each set was mixed differently, but there were no obvious flaws or dropoff in quality between the two different rigs.
Mics: Schoeps MK4V, MK41V, MK5, MK22> CMC6, KCY 250/5, KC5, NBob; MBHO MBP603/KA200N, AT 3031, DPA 4061 w/ d:vice, Naiant X-X, AT 853c, shotgun, Nak300
Pres/Power: Aerco MP2, tinybox v2  [KCY], CA-UBB
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Re: Converting Schoeps KC5 cables to separate KCY and AK I cables
« Reply #54 on: February 23, 2012, 12:13:53 PM »
I have two sets of KC5's hacked. The first set I turned into a KCY cable with 5' lead from the junction box. The other I had terminated into ta4 mini xlr connectors. this way I can run either the kcy or kc5's with the cmc6s. this was in case I had to get large splits with them. looks like all I need is some pfa's so I can also run the kc5's at the same time.


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Re: Converting Schoeps KC5 cables to separate KCY and AK I cables
« Reply #55 on: February 29, 2012, 10:11:34 PM »
according to Naiant the PFA's supply 42V polarization to the capsules and should increase the SPL handling, sensitivity, and signal to noise ratio by 3dbs for all three.


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Re: Converting Schoeps KC5 cables to separate KCY and AK I cables
« Reply #56 on: February 29, 2012, 10:31:43 PM »


can someone help me out with the pin assignments of my existing hacked kc5 cables. I need to give that info to Jon at Naiant so he can build me some pfa's. Thanks.

The pin assignment on the solder points in the picture:

Center - White  << pin 4 I am guessing
2:00 - Silver (Shield)  << pin 1 or 3?
6:00 - Green << pin 2
10:00 - Brown  << pin 1 or 3?


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Re: Converting Schoeps KC5 cables to separate KCY and AK I cables
« Reply #57 on: February 29, 2012, 10:38:16 PM »
Here's an update to a few questions. As always, safe harbor as this is unproven technology and no manufacturer warranty or guarantee implied. These items are not necessarily available for purchase (at least not through me) and all equipment has been customized for personal use only. Should this spur a community driven KCY PFA solution that is scalable, I won't complain. Jon should be able to take care of you on all of your KC5 needs and he gets all the credit! This is just my hack attempt to put a nice touch on an already amazing product.

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can someone help me out with the pin assignments of my existing hacked kc5 cables. I need to give that info to Jon at Naiant so he can build me some pfa's. Thanks.

That's a TA4M, so it looks like it's:

1-Ground
2-Green (60v)
3-Brown (6v)
4-White (Signal)

Hopefully I didn't get that backwards. I wired mine a bit differently (to 4pin binders) to more closely match the 5pin vms layout:

1-Ground
2-White (Signal)
3-Brown(6v)
4-Green(60v)

For reference, the KCY pinout is:

1-Ground
2-White(L Signal)
3-Yellow(R Signal)
4-Brown(6v)
5-Green(60v)

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according to Naiant the PFA's supply 42V polarization to the capsules...

Assuming I probably have no idea what I am actually doing, the KC polarization measurement I took was 39v. This drops due to the current draw of the FET in the MK connector and the active circuitry of the PFA.


do all kcy pfa's need a junction box?  i think that i remember jon saying that due to cable size??..

More of less. Binder 711 connectors, used on the KCY cables, only support 3-5mm cables. Each cable connecting the XLR and the Binder must be 3-conductor + shield and while there might exist a cable with o.d. of 2.5mm and the necessary number of conductors, it's going to be tinsel thin.

The junction box is a really nice solution, but that part is not available in quantity. I do not know if it is custom made or a rebranded part, but it is extremely well made. It provides perfect strain relief when used with 4mm cables via ridges that compress the extremely durable, kevlar reinforced outer sleeve of the Colette and microphone cable. The entire box is shielded on the interior and there is a custom, removable pcb board that is pre-tinned. It's a really nice part to work with.

I'd like to think that there are other more cost effective junction box solutions that I am simply not aware of because there are all kinds of really good 3-4 conductor cables produces in larger diameters.

What is the cost to put one of these [KCY/Nbox PFA] together??

The million dollar question. It took me about 5 hours to make the first PFA (pictured), plotting carefully and working slowly, and I'm not really sure how to factor that in. The KCY PFA, which I built over the weekend and isn't pictured, took about 3 and was overall a cleaner build. It's probably a 45 minute job with practice and better skills and equipment than have.

As for the parts, I have got to think that there is a more cost efficient solution. Splitting two single channel cables into a single dual channel cable is not a new problem, yet I haven't really found any obviously available parts that do this job well. I am hoping someone can provide input on that.


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Re: Converting Schoeps KC5 cables to separate KCY and AK I cables
« Reply #58 on: February 29, 2012, 10:41:03 PM »
spill it d00d
thanks for spilling it.

I could probably have little junction boxes machined. the box probably won't be shielded though.
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Re: Converting Schoeps KC5 cables to separate KCY and AK I cables
« Reply #59 on: March 02, 2012, 02:31:57 PM »
spill it d00d
thanks for spilling it.

I could probably have little junction boxes machined. the box probably won't be shielded though.

An interesting prospect. I'm sure the box itself could be machined or molded from plastic and then spray coated with some type of EMI/RFI blocking paint. Haven't researched that, but I don't doubt that it exists.

Then we would just need custom PCB boards created which is pretty easy. There's probably not enough room in the box to do it 'the vark way' by splicing cables together.

 

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