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Hey all,

I have a rycote mount and I'm not sure the model. It doesn't seem like there's any indication of the model on the unit itself.

Relatedly, I'm wondering if anyone has any experience using mounts other than the Shure A53m for SRS shapeways mounts.
Mics: Avantone CK-1s, AT853 c+o
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Re: Identifying Rycote model and compatibility with SRS shapeways mounts
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2021, 10:01:34 PM »
Hey all,

I have a rycote mount and I'm not sure the model. It doesn't seem like there's any indication of the model on the unit itself.

Relatedly, I'm wondering if anyone has any experience using mounts other than the Shure A53m for SRS shapeways mounts.

post a picture and voltronic will have no issue helping you

I only use Rycote lyres for my SRS mounts:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mounting-Base-for-Rycote-Single-and-Duo-Lyres/133298041528?hash=item1f092eb2b8:g:7XMAAOSwy-le44sI

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1054452-REG/rycote_40137_model_duo_lyre_pro_19_34.html?sts=pi-ps&pim=Y

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1083021-REG/rycote_042271_cyclone_pair_of_universal.html?sts=pi&pim=Y

I use these with my shotguns:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/880280-REG/Rycote_041118_INV_8_Microphone_Suspension.html?sts=pi&pim=Y


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Re: Identifying Rycote model and compatibility with SRS shapeways mounts
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2021, 11:03:29 PM »
Here’s a picture
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Re: Identifying Rycote model and compatibility with SRS shapeways mounts
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2021, 06:17:58 AM »
INV 7HG MKIII perhaps?

https://mymic.rycote.com/products/shock-mounts-suspension/invision-broadcast-film/

Yep; that's it.

Ycoop, Rycotes work perfectly with SRS mounts and they are what I use as well. Yours with the Duo-Lyre 68 will work fine for a pair of heavier pencil mics, but I wonder if it might be a bit too stiff for your Avantones. My CM3s are much lighter than most mics, and I use the individual 72-shore Lyres and the SRS Mounting Base, both of which Darby linked in his post.

SRS tends to use the mount you have in all of their product photos, but it is NOT the correct choice in many applications. It is VERY stiff, and is designed for a shotgun mic with a large windscreen.

I recommend setting up your mics with the SRS mount in your INV-7 HG, and tapping the legs of your stand while listening through headphones to see how much vibration is transferred to your mics. If you feel that too much is coming through, you need less stiffness / more compliance and should buy a pair of the individual 72-shore Lyres. Adorama has them in stock so you wouldn't have to wait for a special order from B&H. You don't need the SRS mounting base, as you would simply replace the Duo-Lyre on your INV-7 HG with these Lyres. You will need a very small Torx wrench (I don't remember the exact size).

Here is a thread where I go through the stiffness / compliance of all the Rycote Lyres. It is not intuitive.
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Re: Identifying Rycote model and compatibility with SRS shapeways mounts
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2021, 07:17:50 PM »
Thanks for the input.

I'm looking to set things up for an AT853 mount, which presumably would need much less stiffness. Now that I think about it, I wonder if the DIY AT853 mount that I made (https://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=193082.0) did not have enough shock absorption. The two shows I taped with this set up didn't come out sounding good. I attributed that to other factors at the time, but now this has got me thinking...

As for the Avantones, I've been playing around with a homebrew mount using a 3" metal tube with 5/8" threading on each side with standard mic clips to hold the mics. Though the 3" 5/8" threaded extender that I bought is a wee bit too narrow for the rycote. Once I get it set up I'll do a mic stand check to see if I also need something less stiff.
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Re: Identifying Rycote model and compatibility with SRS shapeways mounts
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2021, 02:05:37 PM »
Thanks for the input.

I'm looking to set things up for an AT853 mount, which presumably would need much less stiffness. Now that I think about it, I wonder if the DIY AT853 mount that I made (https://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=193082.0) did not have enough shock absorption. The two shows I taped with this set up didn't come out sounding good. I attributed that to other factors at the time, but now this has got me thinking...

As for the Avantones, I've been playing around with a homebrew mount using a 3" metal tube with 5/8" threading on each side with standard mic clips to hold the mics. Though the 3" 5/8" threaded extender that I bought is a wee bit too narrow for the rycote. Once I get it set up I'll do a mic stand check to see if I also need something less stiff.

For either the SRS AT853 mounts or your DIY one, I recommend swapping out the Duo-Lyre 68 for a pair of individual 62-shore Lyres, the softest option. Or if you want to have one setup that will also work for your Avantones, use a pair of 72-shore Lyres. Anything stiffer than that is not going to effectively isolate the super-low mass of your 853s with mount.
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Re: Identifying Rycote model and compatibility with SRS shapeways mounts
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2021, 02:14:17 PM »
Thanks for the input.

I'm looking to set things up for an AT853 mount, which presumably would need much less stiffness. Now that I think about it, I wonder if the DIY AT853 mount that I made (https://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=193082.0) did not have enough shock absorption. The two shows I taped with this set up didn't come out sounding good. I attributed that to other factors at the time, but now this has got me thinking...

As for the Avantones, I've been playing around with a homebrew mount using a 3" metal tube with 5/8" threading on each side with standard mic clips to hold the mics. Though the 3" 5/8" threaded extender that I bought is a wee bit too narrow for the rycote. Once I get it set up I'll do a mic stand check to see if I also need something less stiff.

For either the SRS AT853 mounts or your DIY one, I recommend swapping out the Duo-Lyre 68 for a pair of individual 62-shore Lyres, the softest option. Or if you want to have one setup that will also work for your Avantones, use a pair of 72-shore Lyres. Anything stiffer than that is not going to effectively isolate the super-low mass of your 853s with mount.

Thank you! Much appreciated.
Mics: Avantone CK-1s, AT853 c+o
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I just recently purchased a DIN mount from Scott @ Shapeway for my DPA 4022 pair. So from what I've read, I will need the softer Rycote 62 Shore lyres along with the mounting base? Hoping you can point me in the right direction team. Thanks for the help in advance.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/809861-REG/Rycote_042255_042255_Pair_of_Softer.html

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mounting-Base-for-Rycote-Single-and-Duo-Lyres/133298041528?hash=item1f092eb2b8:g:7XMAAOSwy-le44sI

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I just recently purchased a DIN mount from Scott @ Shapeway for my DPA 4022 pair. So from what I've read, I will need the softer Rycote 62 Shore lyres along with the mounting base? Hoping you can point me in the right direction team. Thanks for the help in advance.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/809861-REG/Rycote_042255_042255_Pair_of_Softer.html

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mounting-Base-for-Rycote-Single-and-Duo-Lyres/133298041528?hash=item1f092eb2b8:g:7XMAAOSwy-le44sI

Blee

Yes this setup works well. I've used this and the one that Darby posted in his last link.
« Last Edit: May 04, 2021, 12:46:18 PM by DavidPuddy »
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Re: Identifying Rycote model and compatibility with SRS shapeways mounts
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2021, 06:03:18 AM »
I just recently purchased a DIN mount from Scott @ Shapeway for my DPA 4022 pair. So from what I've read, I will need the softer Rycote 62 Shore lyres along with the mounting base? Hoping you can point me in the right direction team. Thanks for the help in advance.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/809861-REG/Rycote_042255_042255_Pair_of_Softer.html

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mounting-Base-for-Rycote-Single-and-Duo-Lyres/133298041528?hash=item1f092eb2b8:g:7XMAAOSwy-le44sI

Blee

Yes this setup works well. I've used this and the one that Darby posted in his last link.
Yes this

Hold on - The 62-shore lyres are going to be much too soft for a pair of 4022's, even if you were using actives. I only use them for individually mounting my CM3s, and those are super-lightweight (as in, about the weight of an XLR connector).

At minimum, you are going to want a pair of 72-shore lyres. If you are running your DPAs with bodies, you might need a Duo-Lyre 68.
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Re: Identifying Rycote model and compatibility with SRS shapeways mounts
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2021, 09:33:54 AM »
4022s are extremely light, I think around 30 grams (just over an ounce) each, give or take. A pair probably weighs about the same as a single 4011 with the compact body. I don't know if that makes a difference...

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Re: Identifying Rycote model and compatibility with SRS shapeways mounts
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2021, 12:45:17 PM »
Each DPA 4022 weighs 7.5 grams (0.26 ounces). This includes the cable and xlr. So I’d call it 5 grams for each mic plus the DIN bar.

That seems pretty light to me.

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Re: Identifying Rycote model and compatibility with SRS shapeways mounts
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2021, 12:58:48 PM »
I just recently purchased a DIN mount from Scott @ Shapeway for my DPA 4022 pair. So from what I've read, I will need the softer Rycote 62 Shore lyres along with the mounting base? Hoping you can point me in the right direction team. Thanks for the help in advance.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/809861-REG/Rycote_042255_042255_Pair_of_Softer.html

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mounting-Base-for-Rycote-Single-and-Duo-Lyres/133298041528?hash=item1f092eb2b8:g:7XMAAOSwy-le44sI

Blee

Yes this setup works well. I've used this and the one that Darby posted in his last link.
Yes this

Hold on - The 62-shore lyres are going to be much too soft for a pair of 4022's, even if you were using actives. I only use them for individually mounting my CM3s, and those are super-lightweight (as in, about the weight of an XLR connector).

At minimum, you are going to want a pair of 72-shore lyres. If you are running your DPAs with bodies, you might need a Duo-Lyre 68.

You're probably right here. My nbobs with AKG capsule weigh in at 43 grams each (over 10 grams more than the 4022 remote) and I've been using them with the 72 shore mounts with no issue. I was under the impression that the 72 shore were all black but that is not the case.
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Re: Identifying Rycote model and compatibility with SRS shapeways mounts
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2021, 01:54:32 PM »
Each DPA 4022 weighs 7.5 grams (0.26 ounces). This includes the cable and xlr. So I’d call it 5 grams for each mic plus the DIN bar.

I think that is a typo on the B&H site. I have an old DPA brochure on the compact series that differs; unfortunately, the file is too big to upload here (PM me with an e-mail address and I would be happy to send it).

Anyway, a screenshot is attached.

 

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